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Originally posted by dak11 View PostNo reason not to let him finish the year out before canning him. Who are you replacing him with in season, Bettcher? Thing with Shurmur that's starting to get on my nerves, outside of the play calling, is his responses to the media. He comes off as losing is no big deal and they'll try harder. The players might like him but that's not the way to be a leader. A leader is holding players accountable and not waiting 10 weeks before you decide to start making line-up changes.
Gettleman isn't going anywhere. Drafts have been good overall (some questionable picks but we're not the professionals) and he's done some good trades prior to the Williams one. If they sign him prior to FA it makes it a little better but it was still foolish to give up draft capital in a lost season. The team will also have a ton of money available. I don't expect him to pull a Reece and go crazy in FA but he will have around 63 mil available (prior to potentially cutting guys like Jenkins, Ogletree, Solder, Zeitler?) to spend without the cap increasing any along with a top 5 draft pick.
Ogletree is easily gone. Jenkins...I tend to think so as well, but Baker has been a disaster so they better have a plan B to get another corner in here. Wouldn't be shocked to see Jenkins back to be honest - probably not at his current cap hit, but I could see some kind of restructuring done. He'd be "worth" about 10 mil if they could get it to that unless Beal or Ballentine show out over the last 1/2. Zeitler has been playing hurt again I don't think you cut him at this point - tho it does save a pretty good cap hit. I just think he's someone you can plug in and forget about next year rather than having to hunt for another G. Solder I give up with that dude. I went into this season figuring he'd get this year and definitely next year then wait to 2021 to take a 6.5 mil cap hit. However he's been so bad it might be worth taking the 13 mil and save ~6 mil.They are likely going to be able to get one of the top 2 tackles coming out. Some smaller moves like - Rhett Ellison is probably gone as well only a 2 mil dead cap hit vs. 7+ for keeping him. Kareem Martin 1 mil dead vs. 6 mil cap hit seem like no brainers
In the way too early draft talk - I'd be looking to load up on the O-lIne in the draft and address defense mostly in FA. They have a ton of youth there, time to get the right vets to fill in the needs.
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Ogletree is an easy release.
I don't see Jenkins coming back unless he cuts his salary by 30-40%, which i wouldn't expect him to do. He hasn't played well and would be a 6.5 mil savings. Add in all the young CB options and I think they take their chances with the current options and/or FA. It's possible Beal, Ballentine, and Baker all struggle and their thinking chances but I'm expecting him waived.
I don't think they'll cut Zietler but if they did there would be zero cap hit as that was all accelerated when he was dealt. It would just be his $12 mil salary which seems high based on his play. Rumors going around that Washington offered Scherff, who's a lot better overall from what I've seen, a deal averaging around $13 mil which is the top of the guard market. If he becomes a FA you can upgrade guard for a couple mil per year more. Maybe he's injured like you say but I haven't seen guard play that's worth $12 mil. Another thing to consider is that I like how Gates plays who'll play at a minimum salary. Gates is essentially a guard as I don't think he can play tackle long term.
I don't think Solder goes. Giants need 2 tackles and it's hard enough to get 1 in FA. As bad as he's been you have to bite the bullet and role him out there next year. If they get one of the top OT you can always bounce him to RT if needed.
Agreed on Ellison and Martin.
I'd be curious if we hear Engram rumors this off season. He's another Reese guy, can't stay healthy, and Barkley could be more effective with a traditional TE. I'd wonder if TB would swap Engram and Howard. Arians gets a hybrid TE/WR and Giants get a blocking TE who's a threat in the pass game.
Agreed on the draft. There's a lot that can shift in the next 6 weeks, especially since there's at least 2 winnable games vs Washington and Miami still to come. OT/C are the main positions of need in the draft but if Young is available you cannot pass him up. He's that good of a defensive player. You add him, go back to a 4-3, and team him with Williams/Lawrence/Tomlinson, and Golden and that D line starts becoming a huge strength which will help the overall D.
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Scherff has been banged up a lot recently - played 14 games 2 years ago. only 8 games last year. Missed 2 so far this year. He'll end up getting more than Zach Martin or Norwell because that's how the market always works - so Martins' was 14 mil per and 40 mil locked in...you gotta figure he's targeting 15/45-50.....At that, Washington might just franchise him for 15. Only a couple of mil more, but a lot of guaranteed cash on the table.
I agree Zietler hasn't been as advertised, but for weeks early he had this shoulder injury where the guy couldnt even raise his arm over his head. Its supposedly better now, but I'm sure there's still probably an issue there....I'm assuming that has a lot to do with his mediocre play early....this last week against the Jets he had good PFF scores at least. We'll see what the rest of brings, but I still buying that when healthy he's one of the top 5-6 guards in the league so 12 mil falls in line.
I agree on Solder, but I still kinda think he should he's been that bad. Draft an OT (or 2) and sign a RT...probably doesn't happen, but compared to where I was going into the season to where I am on him now I wouldn't be opposed.
I'm assuming the Giants end the year with more than 2 wins - if so there's no way Young is on the board. He's a top 3 pick lock he's the only guy in there with the 2 QBs IMO. Giants are BAD, but don't think they finish that bad...but I guess if they end up losing to the Dolphins or Redskins anything is possible. I have kind of always figured it was Cincy, Miami, Redskins are your top 3....although I'm already stunned Miami has 2 wins...I thought they were a 1-15 lock. Then the Giants "battling" Atlanta, and the Jets for 4-6. I mean if the Giants can't get to at least 4 wins this year then thats extra pathetic....the reward in that case would probably be Young. Its a deep OT draft tho - grab one in round 2.
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Originally posted by MrHat View PostMore than the draft pick I'm rooting for it so shurmur is gone at this point. No way he survives a 2 win season
Giants owners aren’t ones to make quick firings but Shurmur isn’t working. I just hope the rumor that they might try to get Garrett isn’t legit if they move on from Shurmur is a joke.
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Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View PostBen McAdoo was 13-15 as HC. Ray Handley was 14-18. Shurmur is 7-19 heading towards 7-24
The difficult thing here is in both those previous situations there was pretty much open rebellion against the HC. We havent seen that here, but I believe its more due to an age factor / player leadership factor - the guys who would have been at the head of the rebellion this year were all shipped out (Harrison, OBJ, OV, LC) creating a 1 year grace or rookies who don't know any better. So you're not going to see anything from a player driven side happening. The other thing I worry about is there was a lot of bad blood from TC when he was shipped out and then Reese got to spend 200 mil on the defense to generate that 11 win season....so I hope ownership doesn't ponder a similar scenario with Shurmur - wanting to spend the money and then see what he can do before axing him. Hopefully they see its 2 totally different scenarios here - 1 with a 2x SB winning coach, who had a winning pedigree BEFORE he was even the coach here vs. a guy who has done nothing but lose as a leader.
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Ooooof at least Miami and Washington won and then the Jets just had to outdo the Giants and lose in Cinci Hahahahahaha
Legit chance at the #1 pick with 4 games to go including two games with Miami/Wash.
God they need to clean house with this coaching staff. I cringe at the thought of Bettcher coaching Chase Young.
Starting to have legit concerns about Jones. I mean you can only chalk up so many things to ROOKIE mistakes, but damn this kid is a turnover machine.My EntireTeam Sucks...
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Rookie QBs turn the ball over. Look at peyton’s rookie season with 28 INTs. Unless that team has a good online they’ll be rushed and make mistakes.
Honestly he has a lot of turnovers but only 8 INTs. I think controlling fumbles are easier to teach and correct. Fumbles will also improve if the online gets better.
Cant see this staff surviving if they lose to Wash and/or Miami. Both of those teams seem to be improving while the Giants are getting worse. Down by 2+ scores and they doing a TE screen? Decent play but a TE and outcome but they need quick scores at that point of the game.
Only real positive is they’re now 2 games ahead for the #2 pick and also have the tie breaker (worse win% against) against Cincy if they can somehow pull off another win.
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This team has been getting worse each week. I get that they are young but shouldn't there be signs of growth?
Baker is horrible. There is still at least 3 total miscommunication / wide open receiver plays on third and long every week. Now toss in a return to 0 pass rush.
offensively nothing has changed. Play calling or blocking wise.
Glad JJ called out Betcher. These coaches need to be gone next year
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