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  • #31
    I wanted Bauer but not at $40 mil per. Hell, I thought he's be closer to $25 then $35. $85 mil over 2 years is a huge amount of money to pay.

    Sherman is claiming the Mets offered more than Dodgers. but Bauer wanted to go back to California.

    https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/sta...79756071157764

    I'm not upset about the Mets not going higher for Bauer or Springer. If I have any issue it's with McCann and not waiting on Realmuto. But, I was OK with that signing at the time.

    I'm with Frank on this one. This would be a banner off season in a normal year. Plus, they still have to sign Lindor, Conforto, and eventually Syndergaard who'll all be pretty expensive.

    I'll step out to the ledge with some of you if they over pay for Bradley and/or Odorizzi as fall backs. If they want to sign either it needs to be short 1-2 year max deals.

    But, overall there's no reason to spend everything year 1 when next years potential FA's are pretty good. I also wonder if they'll go back and check on Bryant with the Cubs.
    Last edited by dak11; 02-05-2021, 05:55 PM.

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    • #32
      Bauer's total offer from the Mets was higher supposedly now, but all that really matters is years 1 and 2 given the opt outs...the Mets offered 80 mil for the first 2 years. Dodgers offered 85. Unless he's terrible, he's opting out after year 2 rather than take 18 or 25 in year 3....and lets be honest if he repeats 2020 or 2018 he's probably opting out after year 1 to look for that 6+ year deal.

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      • #33
        So are you saying the Mets should have offered $90 over 2 years? $40 mil this year and $50 next to get him? At what point would you eventually say you don't want to go another $3-5 mil or does that point never come now that Cohen is on board?

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        • #34
          Fearless Prediction - Odorizzi has a year that is comparable to Bauer for 1/3 (or less) of the price.
          Plandy Balderschlong is a douchebag who was once escorted out of a petting zoo for engaging in assplay with pygmy goats.

          discuss ......

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Sterling_Archer View Post
            Fearless Prediction - Odorizzi has a year that is comparable to Bauer for 1/3 (or less) of the price.
            +1
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            • #36
              JT woumd have strung mets along all offseason and still signed with phillies..meanwhile they woukd have lost the adequate consolation prize in McCann. They already got the consolation prize in carrasco..and there are still worthwhile options in market for upgrade on the backend.. (Paxson and walker) I still in hindsight second guess springer decision because of thes significant drop off available after him. Only thing that cannot be said..is if jays would have continued to raise the bid if mets matched the 150..qe will never know.. the other part that is still troublesome..is continuing to address the bp...one arm short imo..and wish for an upgrade over familia..but anywho..the way for them to pick themselves off the mat....announce the extension for Lindor next week! Oh..and if Bauer gets 40-45...they better start accumulating the sheckles for degrom's opt out..as his bidding will start at 50m?
              ACCEPTED TRUTH: That I will be ROYALLY F**CKED OVER by EVERY TEAM I ROOT FOR (METS, JETS & KNICKS) !!!

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              • #37
                Originally posted by dak11 View Post
                So are you saying the Mets should have offered $90 over 2 years? $40 mil this year and $50 next to get him? At what point would you eventually say you don't want to go another $3-5 mil or does that point never come now that Cohen is on board?
                To me, doesn't come into play - especially on such a short term. Dude is gone in 2 years max....like I've said before its the difference of a Dellin Betances contract....or Trevor May...two throwaway replacement level relievers.....but there's also a method to the negotiation. Brody understood this...I don't think Sandy does. The Dodgers didn't blink in upping their offer to Bauer significantly. The Yankees / Dodgers, those teams make the offers and close the deal. Sandy lets **** sit out there for weeks and can't wrap it up.

                Again its not specifically about JT, Springer, or Bauer or even Hand, - I'm not going to argue over whether any of them were "worth it" because individually I agree they are not, but its about the inability to close a deal on ANY of them. Sandy has shown this time and time again in his entire GM/Pres run with the Mets. Shrewd on trades. Low risk on drafts. Unable to land the top FAs. Overpays on the secondary ones. Its alarming to me that trend is continuing even with Cohen's backing.....

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by MrHat View Post
                  Brody understood this...I don't think Sandy does.
                  I'd also add this - as much as I rolled my eyes at his sudden climb in estimation during the Sandy era, Minaya understood that he needed to overpay on an established star to get the ball rolling in getting players to want the Mets after the prior years of debacle. We all knew Pedro was no longer Pedro, and wouldn't live up to the contract, but he started that initial glimmer of hope and credibility and that Minaya (with the Madoff money, much like Cohen bucks) was going all in. Yes, the Lindor and Carrasco trade was a good one, but this was still a losing team in 2020, with a lingering rep - you want players to choose you over a team like the Dodgers and their pedigree for comparable money you perhaps shouldn't be nickel and diming it by stocking up on tier 2/3 players and AAA filler.

                  I fervently hope that after this offseason, Cohen will see that Sandy has too much ego and stubbornness to be an aggressive problem solver.
                  "There have been artists who have failed to capture dichotomy as beautifully as the Mets have in playing Wilmer Flores at shortstop and Juan Lagares in center field."

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Jersey Shore View Post

                    +1
                    Before I say you guys are both crazy what are you defining as comparable? Have they been comparable over the last 4-5 years to you?

                    Jake hasn't thrown more than 165 innings since 2016. Bauer hasn't thrown for less than 175 over that stretch. Bauer won at least 11 games every year over that stretch, Jake won 11+ once. Bauer well over 10k per 9. Jake never once exceed that.

                    If that's considered comparable then there's an argument that Matz would be comparable to Jake for 1/3rd of what Odorizzi will get....

                    I don't think it matters for Mets fans as I doubt Odorizzi signs here anyways. Sandy's M.O. is typically signing a 1-2 year injury risk when it comes to back end of the rotation. That probably points to a Rich Hill or Paxton move in the best case scenario. Not giving out a 3-4 year deal for a 4th starter...

                    Personally I think Sandy is done with the rotation after missing Bauer as in his mind the other guys in the market are comparable to the two guys he traded for.

                    As much as Ive posted dread and fear of a JBJ signing in reality I don't think it's likely the Mets pivot and go down the JBJ path either. Again Sandy has never valued defense all that much to throw 3+ years at a guy like that.

                    At this point I think we're on the 1 year trash heap piles FA wise. If this team makes another significant move it'll come from another sell off kind of trade.

                    For those that say it doesn't need to be built in year one keep in mind all those Mets needing extensions - +20+ mil back on the books with Cano. Add in Sandy's track record I've talked about..... and the fact that Jake is 32... With basically all their top prospects being 3 years away... To me this WAS the year to push as I think it's hard to expect anything but basically the same team or a lesser one in 2022 given the above.
                    Last edited by MrHat; 02-06-2021, 03:13 AM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by MrHat View Post

                      I don't think it matters for Mets fans as I doubt Odorizzi signs here anyways. Sandy's M.O. is typically signing a 1-2 year injury risk when it comes to back end of the rotation. That probably points to a Rich Hill or Paxton move in the best case scenario. Not giving out a 3-4 year deal for a 4th starter...
                      Make that Arrietta

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by dak11 View Post

                        Make that Arrietta
                        Yeah...ugh...like I said Hill or Paxton is BEST case. Arrietta has been DONE for 2 years now. He was bad in 2019 and worse in 2020...but would be spot on to what Sandy's MO is.

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                        • #42
                          I'm really not crazy how he's taken the "meh" approach to the bullpen. Given the output from it last year, that this coming season they'll need to cover for pitchers who pitched 1/3rd of a season and Stroman who pitched zero innings (and wasn't that deep of a pitcher with the Mets anyway) along with the unknown of a Peterson sophomore season. Carrasco was a good pickup, but they really really needed to get genuine talent into the BP.

                          I didn't mind passing on Springer with the mind that they'd seriously bolster the pitching, which was last seasons huge hole. As they didn't really do that, letting other blue chip FA's slide becomes more of a mistake.
                          "There have been artists who have failed to capture dichotomy as beautifully as the Mets have in playing Wilmer Flores at shortstop and Juan Lagares in center field."

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                          • #43
                            The only good thing about how Sandy has approached the pen was ending this nonsense of Lugo as a starter.

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                            • #44
                              They signed Albert Almora for CF.

                              Ha, pure Sandy.
                              "There have been artists who have failed to capture dichotomy as beautifully as the Mets have in playing Wilmer Flores at shortstop and Juan Lagares in center field."

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                              • #45
                                Almora's a backup. Honestly, like this pickup more than adding Bradley.

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