Mets signing Hand?

[dak11]

I won't argue Mays contract. Seemed a little high at the time even after 2 pretty good seasons. If I remember correctly didn't Betances have a $3 mil buyout for 2021 so it was either eat $3 mil or give him $6. For $3 mil you might as well give him another season to see if he can regain his Yankee form.

I'm more of a fan who wants the team to be fiscally responsible even though Cohen has a ton of money. This is a marathon and not a sprint. What I mean by that, before anyone starts thinking I want them to Wilpon it, is to make solid offers to players they want and to go the extra distance - be it an extra year, higher average salary, etc. - on the star/franchise players. I didn't see Springer as that type of player and I'm not saying be the 2nd highest offer and hope the guy picks NYC over the other location.

Now, if the Mets offer Lindor 10 years $350 mil and he comes back and says he needs 12 years $420 then that's the type of talent where I go the extra money/years to get the deal done. I would be on board with lambasting them for not adding the extra 2 years and $70 mil.

I wouldn't go near the numbers and years the rumors are talking for Bauer. He was fantastic last year and if he continues that production he's worth that $30+ mil. But prior to 2020 he had 1 season where his ERA was better than 3.79 and he brings baggage. I'd love to add that stud #2 behind deGrom but I wouldn't kill them if they offer 4/120 and they lose him for 5/150. Maybe I'm too conservative after all the bad contracts the team has been stuck with over the years but I'd rather miss out on someone at the point than overpay in a high risk guy.

[dak11]

Interesting Bauer read.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/02/19/tr...versy-cy-young

[Sterling_Archer]

I must be in a weird camp that would prefer Odorizzi, a better defender at 3B, JBJ and another bullpen guy to Bauer.

I don't see Bauer as THE best pitcher in baseball, and would prefer they get better at 3 or 4 spots rather than shoot their load on a 1/3 season Mickey Mouse Cy Young winner who has made exactly 1 other AS team.

the thought of Arenado and JBJ would not only get me hard, but would make the Mets pitching equally bonered, and they could end of 3-5 pitchers with better stats than Bauer by adding Arenado, JBJ, McCann, and Lindor over the stone gloves they had in those four critical defensive positions in recent years.

thoughts?

[dak11]

Totally disagree. I'd need to see who this better defender at 3B is but I don't see how adding a career 3.92 pitcher with 1 only 1 sub 3.50 ERA season those 9 years along with a couple defensive upgrades is going to better than adding a Cy Young type pitcher.

I'll also go on record to state that I don't think Nimmo's D in CF is so bad that I'd want to give up his bat for JBJ. If you want D just resign Marisnik on the cheap.

[defender]

I'm unsure what problems Bradley solves for this current roster. What is the need for a fourth lefty outfielder who doesn't hit? You can't platoon him. If they hold firm on no DH, Dom still needs to be out there pretty much everyday. At best, Bradley adds late inning defense and depth in case of injury. Almost rather roll the dice on a Billy Hamilton or another scrap heap righty and put that money into the bullpen. If it doesn't work, you can pick up a rental righty OF at the deadline.

As for Bauer, he's a good but not great pitcher who had a career year against a crappy division in a shortened season. It would be hell of a rotation, but I won't cry if they pass on him and extend Conforto instead.

[dak11]

Bauer had 2 Cy Young type season sandwiched around 2019. While he hasn't pitched this way his entire career he has been this good 2 out of the last 3 seasons.

2018 - 12-6, 2.21 ERA, and finished 6th in Cy Young. If he didn't get injured and only pitch 175 innings he could have been ranked higher and possibly win another Cy Young given the stats he was having post AS break.

[86mets]

Count me in on the not wanting to overpay jbj club.. If the money is still burning in his pocket and want to bring bauer..so be it..he elevates the staff another level..Im willing to go lottery ticket (almora) or marisnek platoon with nimmo til/if better options presents itself..all indications also point to Davis rh bat being kept at 3b with guillorme his caddie.. I still would like another proven bp arm with several options still out there but somebody will likely have to be jettisoned for that to happen.

[dak11]

Saw this tweet. No idea how accurate it is.

@TheATWpod
has Bauer to the Mets for 3 years 105 million. They tweeted it two hours ago


https://twitter.com/TheATWpod/status...98906410307586

[MrHat]

Seems to be either 3 or 4 years - conflicting within info - but most say an opt out after 1. Supposedly worth 37 mil for that 1 year.

[dak11]

Sherman claims there's a 12 noon deadline with Bauer. Huge money if true. Nowhere near what I was thinking.

https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/sta...17613028212738

Heard #Mets set a noon deadline Eastern with Bauer today. Heard the deal has opt outs after 1st 2 yrs. Worth about $40M in year 1 and then again in year 2. Worth less in year 3. Total is between $100M-$110M. Feels like decision is next few hours, 1 way or the other.

Another tweet says no deadline but Mets pushing for an answer.

https://twitter.com/DeeshaThosar/sta...33469565124608

[MrHat]

Bauer to the Dodgers.... could kind of see this coming...this Mets offer had been on the table for weeks...pure leverage

(edit) take it back to a degree - Dodgers outbid the Mets....so much for being able to outspend... Dodges gave him 3/103 vs. the Mets 3/100. 2 years 85 (with opt outs) vs. 2 years 80.


So look for less than 5 mil per they lost Springer. For less than 3 mil per they loss Bauer... They never even wanted to wait and play with JT. Sorry that's terrible. So much for being "the yankees" and NOT letting a handful of mil be the difference in a deal. So much for being able to snag the big fish. Hell I still think they should have pushed for Nolan over Lindor (3B was a bigger need and he's got an established contract)

[Sterling_Archer]

Bauer to the Dodgers.... could kind of see this coming...this Mets offer had been on the table for weeks...pure leverage

(edit) take it back to a degree - Dodgers outbid the Mets....so much for being able to outspend... Dodges gave him 3/103 vs. the Mets 3/100. 2 years 85 (with opt outs) vs. 2 years 80.


So look for less than 5 mil per they lost Springer. For less than 3 mil per they loss Bauer... They never even wanted to wait and play with JT. Sorry that's terrible. So much for being "the yankees" and NOT letting a handful of mil be the difference in a deal. So much for being able to snag the big fish. Hell I still think they should have pushed for Nolan over Lindor (3B was a bigger need and he's got an established contract)

Lindor, Carrasco, McCann, May, Stroman would've been Christmas morning in any other offseason.

We got spoiled by Cohen's billions even before he wrote his first check.


HOWEVER - not extending Lindor, Conforto, Stroman and Syndergaard WILL make 2020/2021 look like an utter disaster.

[MrHat]

McCann is a typical Mets signing. The Wilpons would have pushed for that deal because then they couldn't be bothered with JT. Same deal with the QO on Stroman. May is a Sandy deal giving a mediocre middle reliever a lot of money while watching one of the top guys sign for marginally more (annually, but less overall).


Lindor is a great deal, but a disaster if they don't lock him up...and I don't like this chatter that they are happy with the trade even if he walks....

Again none of this means the offseason was a failure, but this talk of being players for the best guys on the market has thus far been nonsense. ...and my MAIN concern is Sandy has shown time and time again he can't reel in the top FAs..... I would agree that JT wasn't worth it. Springer wasn't worth it. Bauer certainly isnt worth it... BUT that's the Market - they had needs. All those guys filled needs. They targeted ALL of those guys. When the Dodgers or the Yankees want a guy how often do they miss? Cole. DJ. Bauer.

[defender]

I am not heart broken on seeing the Mets missing out on any of these guys on an individual basis. But the pattern of missing on Bauer, Springer, and Realmuto in order to scrimp on a few million when the talent dropoff to the alternative was so steep is pretty concerning. Especially if this is how they will treat extending Lindor and Conforto.

So...DeGrom, Stroman, Carrasco... and Peterson, Luchessi? Remind me again why they had no use for Matz?

[MrHat]

I'm now bracing for the 4 year 50+ mil JBJ deal thats gonna make me lose it. Plus a Paxton/Odorizzi signing bleh