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  • METSSC
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    I like Bogarís resume. Iíd be happy with that hire.

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  • Jersey Shore
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    Originally posted by MrHat View Post
    Final 4 - Bogar, Girardi, Beltran, and Espada.

    Girardi is still the no brainer....its going to be a massive let down when they don't hire this guy because of a couple mil.

    I'd put Bogar next. Winning pedigree with a ton of experience. Career .575 minor league winning %. He learned under Madden in TB...then went to Boston under Francona...Coached on successful Ranger teams /w Ron Washington....got front office experience in Seattle...and now again with a winner in Washington. Has NY and LA experience as a player....shouldn't be as overwhelmed as Mickey was. While he'd still largely be a "rookie" manager I don't believe he'd be your typical newbie. He was the kind of player that you always thought would make a good manager during his playing days.

    After those 2 I think the list probably a lateral move from Mickey to be honest.....

    Beltran. No experience. I think he'd get more slack than Mickey got and can anyone be as bad tactically? The NY media will give him some time....but does he really have any idea how to manage? Sitting next to Cashman in the owners box and occasionally talking to players or even being a successful player is far different than managing.


    Espada last. I really don't get a lot of the hype. Has bounced around the majors and minors as infield instructor or bench coach. Never was a head coach. Spent 2 years in the Yankee front office, but thats way different than having real experience in NY (which I do think matters). Yeah he's coached Puerto Rico and supposedly has a lot of respect around the game, but still not sure how that ties into what the Mets are building here....this isn't Los Mets 2.0 and he's not a guy who's going to get any rope with the media or the fans.
    From the NY POST: "Girardi has been presumed to be “the clear favorite” in Philadelphia, according to NBC".....looks like its Bogar

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  • MrHat
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    Final 4 - Bogar, Girardi, Beltran, and Espada.

    Girardi is still the no brainer....its going to be a massive let down when they don't hire this guy because of a couple mil.

    I'd put Bogar next. Winning pedigree with a ton of experience. Career .575 minor league winning %. He learned under Madden in TB...then went to Boston under Francona...Coached on successful Ranger teams /w Ron Washington....got front office experience in Seattle...and now again with a winner in Washington. Has NY and LA experience as a player....shouldn't be as overwhelmed as Mickey was. While he'd still largely be a "rookie" manager I don't believe he'd be your typical newbie. He was the kind of player that you always thought would make a good manager during his playing days.

    After those 2 I think the list probably a lateral move from Mickey to be honest.....

    Beltran. No experience. I think he'd get more slack than Mickey got and can anyone be as bad tactically? The NY media will give him some time....but does he really have any idea how to manage? Sitting next to Cashman in the owners box and occasionally talking to players or even being a successful player is far different than managing.


    Espada last. I really don't get a lot of the hype. Has bounced around the majors and minors as infield instructor or bench coach. Never was a head coach. Spent 2 years in the Yankee front office, but thats way different than having real experience in NY (which I do think matters). Yeah he's coached Puerto Rico and supposedly has a lot of respect around the game, but still not sure how that ties into what the Mets are building here....this isn't Los Mets 2.0 and he's not a guy who's going to get any rope with the media or the fans.

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  • defender
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    Originally posted by METSSC View Post
    Tim Bogar. Just wait
    Yup. Gonna be great when this team is fighting for a playoff spot in September and someone Brodie met at spin class is getting out managed by Girardi from the Philly dugout.

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  • METSSC
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    Tim Bogar. Just wait

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  • defender
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    Well... Alfonzo was let go today apparently.

    How long til the Yankees scoop him up as a special adviser or something?

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  • METSSC
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    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rc5G04nJecI

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  • Paulie Cee
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    Because I'm back, youknowwhatI'msayin?"

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  • 1994
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    I know what makes anybody a hot manager for this team. The Mets are looking for anybody that can answer the phone in the dugout during a game and follow the orders of those all knowing management people upstairs. You know the ones I'm talking about starting with the agent who has no clue about being a GM. Or maybe the ESPN announcer who knows diddly about baseball who is now an advisor to the idiot GM or is she an advisor to the former GM Omar who never met an hispanic player that he didn't want to sign.
    Last but not least is good old Jeffie boy. A guy that wouldn't know which end of the shovel to use if he had a ditch digging job, which he probably couldn't get but because of daddy's money he became an expert on how to ruin a baseball team.
    So as soon as a yes man can be found there will be a new manager and another year of fan suffering will begin under the worse organization in baseball.

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  • Sterling_Archer
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    Just got an ESPN blip - the Mets have a press conference scheduled re: their managerial decision.

    Is Beltran the guy already???

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  • defender
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    Originally posted by MrHat View Post

    I don't think its either....its an image calculation by Beltran. If he goes out and interviews for every job on the market and doesn't get them, how does that setup his future? If he doesn't get the Mets job he can spin it 3000 different ways...or the NY media will do it for him - Oh they didn't want to hire an ex-player. Oh they went an hired experience winner (if by some miracle a Buck or Joe get it). Oh just the old fall back lolMets for their stupid choice.

    He starts getting rejected by the Cubs, Pads, etc all of whom according to reports basically have their managers already narrowed down to 2-3 guys...its a little bit of a knock on Beltran...this way he's the one being selective. When the reality is he's got a cushy job with the Yankees and I don't think he really cares if he gets the Mets job or not, but its an easy thing for him to sit down and talk about.
    All good points. It sounds like he doesnít care to move his family out of New York either. So turning down other job offers is moreso a matter of personal preference than it is a sign of his clout within the managerial market. It may just work out in his favor anyway though.

    FWIW, I imagine a hurdle in getting Girardi here could be the fact that the Mets already have Chili Davis and Phil Regan in place. A guy with Girardiís resume is going to want to hire his own people. Would Beltran or one of the lesser known names be okay with having much of his staff picked for him?

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  • 86mets
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    Originally posted by MrHat View Post

    I don't think its either....its an image calculation by Beltran. If he goes out and interviews for every job on the market and doesn't get them, how does that setup his future? If he doesn't get the Mets job he can spin it 3000 different ways...or the NY media will do it for him - Oh they didn't want to hire an ex-player. Oh they went an hired experience winner (if by some miracle a Buck or Joe get it). Oh just the old fall back lolMets for their stupid choice.

    He starts getting rejected by the Cubs, Pads, etc all of whom according to reports basically have their managers already narrowed down to 2-3 guys...its a little bit of a knock on Beltran...this way he's the one being selective. When the reality is he's got a cushy job with the Yankees and I don't think he really cares if he gets the Mets job or not, but its an easy thing for him to sit down and talk about.

    I'd change my tone on Beltran a bit if he ends up being a bench coach or something for the Mets, but I think this is mostly a PR move to get his name into the managerial mix for NEXT YEAR with some teams and generate a little buzz around him than really a guy who's dying to prove himself in a new form.



    If Alfonso was a manager in the Yankees minor league system the story would be different.

    The ONLY reason Beltran is on this list is because he's a Yankee guy now. Had he been an "assistant" to the GM in KC no one would give a **** (in the NY media)...Mets ties or not. There's a 1/2 dozen ex-Mets players who are thought of as buzz worthy manager candidates and none of them are being written about by the NY Media.
    That certainly would be an ideal tandem with Girardi..but then again...I doubt the bridesmaid would agree to that..Mets kind of did this with FO when they hired a bunch of former exec/gms as assistants..but that didn't turn out so well..kind of different with manager..could see derision in clubhouse with 'latin " ballplayers migrating/backbiting to Beltran ..could get messy..

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  • MrHat
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    Originally posted by defender View Post
    Reports say Cubs and Pads want to interview Beltran for managerial positions. He’s turned down the interviews bc he only wants Mets job.

    Either that’s one hell of a bluff or this guy is way more confident than he ever came across.
    I don't think its either....its an image calculation by Beltran. If he goes out and interviews for every job on the market and doesn't get them, how does that setup his future? If he doesn't get the Mets job he can spin it 3000 different ways...or the NY media will do it for him - Oh they didn't want to hire an ex-player. Oh they went an hired experience winner (if by some miracle a Buck or Joe get it). Oh just the old fall back lolMets for their stupid choice.

    He starts getting rejected by the Cubs, Pads, etc all of whom according to reports basically have their managers already narrowed down to 2-3 guys...its a little bit of a knock on Beltran...this way he's the one being selective. When the reality is he's got a cushy job with the Yankees and I don't think he really cares if he gets the Mets job or not, but its an easy thing for him to sit down and talk about.

    I'd change my tone on Beltran a bit if he ends up being a bench coach or something for the Mets, but I think this is mostly a PR move to get his name into the managerial mix for NEXT YEAR with some teams and generate a little buzz around him than really a guy who's dying to prove himself in a new form.

    Originally posted by Shastada View Post

    If they're going for a former met that speaks spanish then Alfonso makes much more sense and has at least a little bit of managing experience now.
    If Alfonso was a manager in the Yankees minor league system the story would be different.

    The ONLY reason Beltran is on this list is because he's a Yankee guy now. Had he been an "assistant" to the GM in KC no one would give a **** (in the NY media)...Mets ties or not. There's a 1/2 dozen ex-Mets players who are thought of as buzz worthy manager candidates and none of them are being written about by the NY Media.

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  • defender
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    Reports say Cubs and Pads want to interview Beltran for managerial positions. Heís turned down the interviews bc he only wants Mets job.

    Either thatís one hell of a bluff or this guy is way more confident than he ever came across.

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  • Shastada
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    Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post
    Didn't we just finally get rid of a manager who doesn't know wtf he's he's doing? Now Beltran who has ZERO coaching experience is at the the top of the list? They reference his social skills and dual languages as part of the reasons like that means anything. WTF does this guy know about in game management in regards to hitting, pinch hitting, player swaps, bullpen etc. WTF am I missing here besides the "good story" part.
    If they're going for a former met that speaks spanish then Alfonso makes much more sense and has at least a little bit of managing experience now.

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