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    Looks like Halladay, Martinez, Mussina, and Mariano.

    Bonds, Clemens and Schilling have an outside shot at squeaking in, and all three plus Larry Walker can possibly garner enough support next year, as only Jeter looks remotely deserving among newbies. Especially with Walker’s big jump year over year and Baines REALLY lowering the bar.

    personal observations: Baines and not Dale Mutphy? Does Hernandez get more consideration from these new committees? Where in FU(K is Gil Hodges?? Is Halladay REALLY a 90% first ballot guy while Schilling has been outside looking in for seven years? Who would YOU rather have for one game? Jack Morris and not Schilling? Are his politics ****ing him? Does Tommy John need another look?


    discuss.....
    Plandy Balderschlong is a douchebag who was once escorted out of a petting zoo for engaging in assplay with pygmy goats.

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    For 1 game....Halladay. it's close tho. I know Schilling was awesome in the post season, but Roy Era was just as good. He just didn't get the same opportunities. Curt should be in the HOF tho.

    I hate that MussIna got in. I just think he's a massive compiler. Never won a Cy young. Never won a world series. Losing record in the playoffs. Never led the league in era. Won 20 games once....his last year....Played on just 3 losing teams in 18 years...that had dominating offenses. Even those teams weren't terrible. His ERA with the Yanks was about 4, but he was 50 games over .500. I dunno if you're a solid pitcher who plays on 90 win teams for 20 years you should coast to 250+ wins

    Walker shouldn't be a HOF either

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    • #3
      Originally posted by MrHat View Post
      For 1 game....Halladay. it's close tho. I know Schilling was awesome in the post season, but Roy Era was just as good. He just didn't get the same opportunities. Curt should be in the HOF tho.

      I hate that MussIna got in. I just think he's a massive compiler. Never won a Cy young. Never won a world series. Losing record in the playoffs. Never led the league in era. Won 20 games once....his last year....Played on just 3 losing teams in 18 years...that had dominating offenses. Even those teams weren't terrible. His ERA with the Yanks was about 4, but he was 50 games over .500. I dunno if you're a solid pitcher who plays on 90 win teams for 20 years you should coast to 250+ wins

      Walker shouldn't be a HOF either
      I see what you mean about Moose, but I am not too unhappy about him getting in. I think the longevity deserves some respect, 18 yrs of mass consistency is no short order. I guess I get ok with it by looking at his era and the current era. on sOne hand it was the steroid era, on the other hand i look at today's pitchers - thinking about how pitchers are blowing out arms left and right and missing upwards of 2 years following a TJ surgery. I would take his career one of our 4 guys right now (w a WS title of course).
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sterling_Archer View Post
        Looks like Halladay, Martinez, Mussina, and Mariano.

        Bonds, Clemens and Schilling have an outside shot at squeaking in, and all three plus Larry Walker can possibly garner enough support next year, as only Jeter looks remotely deserving among newbies. Especially with Walker’s big jump year over year and Baines REALLY lowering the bar.

        personal observations: Baines and not Dale Mutphy? Does Hernandez get more consideration from these new committees? Where in FU(K is Gil Hodges?? Is Halladay REALLY a 90% first ballot guy while Schilling has been outside looking in for seven years? Who would YOU rather have for one game? Jack Morris and not Schilling? Are his politics ****ing him? Does Tommy John need another look?


        discuss.....
        Is Schilling your guy?
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kid A View Post

          I see what you mean about Moose, but I am not too unhappy about him getting in. I think the longevity deserves some respect, 18 yrs of mass consistency is no short order. I guess I get ok with it by looking at his era and the current era. on sOne hand it was the steroid era, on the other hand i look at today's pitchers - thinking about how pitchers are blowing out arms left and right and missing upwards of 2 years following a TJ surgery. I would take his career one of our 4 guys right now (w a WS title of course).
          I would too....but doesn't make them HOF . It's how folks look at it...to me Mussina was never the top pitcher of his era....never even top 5. I like greatness in the hall. Not good for a long time. How much of his "consistency " was because of the teams he played on? He had eras in the mid 4 and 5 area and still got double digit wins and was 3 or 4 games over .500. Hell he had a 19 win season with an era of 4.80. DeGrom barely got 10 wins with an era more than 3 less. Outside of his first full year Moose never had an era below 3.

          I believe you put him on a team like the Mets he wouldn't have sniffed 200 wins. Or even if he had stayed in Baltimore his whole career...he wouldn't have been winning 17 games with a 4 era on those garbage 2000-2009 Os. If he finished 215-170 with everything else the same I don't think he gets elected....

          Good player....sign me up now to give DeGrom, Thor, Matz, and Wheeler his career....but to me he's getting in because of that W/L record more than anything else and that was hugely influenced by basically playing on great teams most of his career not by being a dominating pitcher

          I felt the same about Biggio. I dunno if you're going the longevity route over the greatness one then you better crush some milestones...not barely make it or in this case not even get to it (300 wins). Just my opinion . The HOF has gotten to be kind of a joke at this point tho
          Last edited by MrHat; 01-22-2019, 10:40 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by MrHat View Post
            For 1 game....Halladay. it's close tho. I know Schilling was awesome in the post season, but Roy Era was just as good. He just didn't get the same opportunities. Curt should be in the HOF tho.

            I hate that MussIna got in. I just think he's a massive compiler. Never won a Cy young. Never won a world series. Losing record in the playoffs. Never led the league in era. Won 20 games once....his last year....Played on just 3 losing teams in 18 years...that had dominating offenses. Even those teams weren't terrible. His ERA with the Yanks was about 4, but he was 50 games over .500. I dunno if you're a solid pitcher who plays on 90 win teams for 20 years you should coast to 250+ wins

            Walker shouldn't be a HOF either
            Sounds like a Skankee fan assessment! =

            Should that matter when it comes to the HOF? Especially never winning the series?

            The other side of the postseason performance argument is that Andy Pettitte was the best starter in the postseason for all those years as a MFY (he and Catfish Hunter are the only pitchers with 5 or more World Series wins (14 in total) who pitched in the WS since 1970), yet he barely held on to carry over to next year's ballot.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Kid A View Post

              Is Schilling your guy?
              For 1 game that I had to win or go home?

              Every. Single. Time.
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              • #8
                I remember years ago, watching espn over here and Joe Morgan saying that to be a HOF player, you had to dominate the sport for an extended period of time. Mussina never met that criteria, he was just good, sometimes very good, for a long time.
                Whereas if you had Pedro in his prime going against you, you chalked that up as a loss. Did anyone ever feel that about Moose?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SteveJRogers View Post

                  Sounds like a Skankee fan assessment! =

                  Should that matter when it comes to the HOF? Especially never winning the series?

                  The other side of the postseason performance argument is that Andy Pettitte was the best starter in the postseason for all those years as a MFY (he and Catfish Hunter are the only pitchers with 5 or more World Series wins (14 in total) who pitched in the WS since 1970), yet he barely held on to carry over to next year's ballot.
                  Exclusively? No, but here its just another thing on the pile. If Moose had his same numbers with Schilling post season I'd have no problem with him. Or let's say Jack Morris. Morris is considered a borderline guy who got in mostly because he started out 7-1 in the playoffs, WS MVP, and pitched on 3 title teams. Well regular season wise his numbers aren't much different than Mussina....250+ wins, high 3 era... Give Morris Mussina's post season record I don't think he's in....

                  so on these borderline career compiler types....yeah world series/post season absolutely should matter imo....

                  Last edited by MrHat; 01-23-2019, 05:20 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MrHat View Post

                    Exclusively? No, but here its just another thing on the pile. If Moose had his same numbers with Schilling post season I'd have no problem with him. Or let's say Jack Morris. Morris is considered a borderline guy who got in mostly because he started out 7-1 in the playoffs, WS MVP, and pitched on 3 title teams. Well regular season wise his numbers aren't much different than Mussina....250+ wins, high 3 era... Give Morris Mussina's post season record I don't think he's in....

                    so on these borderline career compiler types....yeah world series/post season absolutely should matter imo....
                    Schilling’s regular season work was more dominating than Mussina’s as well.
                    Plandy Balderschlong is a douchebag who was once escorted out of a petting zoo for engaging in assplay with pygmy goats.

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                    • #11
                      Of course Schilling's politics are screwing him. Why do you think NY media had it in for Mike Piazza from Day 1...? For anyone who hasn't been paying attention the last 4 or 5 years, the Left lets their politics get in the way of *everything*.

                      And... Seaver was the first true unanimous, don't let any assh*le tell you otherwise.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingOlerud View Post
                        Of course Schilling's politics are screwing him. Why do you think NY media had it in for Mike Piazza from Day 1...? For anyone who hasn't been paying attention the last 4 or 5 years, the Left lets their politics get in the way of *everything*.

                        And... Seaver was the first true unanimous, don't let any assh*le tell you otherwise.
                        has there ever been a lib actor, artist, or athlete ruined into oblivion for his or her politics?

                        MAAAAYBEEEEEE the Dixie Chicks for about a week.

                        on the other hand: Kelsey Grammar, James Woods, Curt Schilling, Kevin Sorbo, Ray Romano’s pro-life wife, Lynn Swann, the hot black chick from Clueless.... I’m sure there are more, right?

                        Plandy Balderschlong is a douchebag who was once escorted out of a petting zoo for engaging in assplay with pygmy goats.

                        discuss ......

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