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  • deGrom's agent: Sign him or trade him

    It's true though. Stop dicking around and either sign him or trade him while the value is maxed out. There is no benefit besides Wilpon'd wallet to dick around for 2 more years and then let him walk.
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  • #2
    Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post
    It's true though. Stop dicking around and either sign him or trade him while the value is maxed out. There is no benefit besides Wilpon'd wallet to dick around for 2 more years and then him walk.
    What if Mets can become competitive by the 2020 season?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by metsheart View Post

      What if Mets can become competitive by the 2020 season?
      What if your father finished on your moms face instead of her cooch. These are the mysteries of life.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post

        What if your father finished on your moms face instead of her cooch. These are the mysteries of life.
        Lovely. What a class act you are.

        And at the same time as being an unnecessarily crude Neandertal, you managed to dodge the very direct question I asked you.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by metsheart View Post

          Lovely. What a class act you are.

          And at the same time as being an unnecessarily crude Neandertal, you managed to dodge the very direct question I asked you.
          Hypotheticals are direct questions? The likelihood of the Mets being competitive anytime in the next 5 years is minuscule unless there is a MASSIVE direction change in their philosophy.

          Whatever answer you were looking for was already there. Sign him or trade him. If you are letting him walk in 2 years because he's still cheap relative to production then that's just a scam. If the end game is no extension then they are doing the entire franchise a disservice by not trading him for a bounty right now.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by metsheart View Post

            What if Mets can become competitive by the 2020 season?
            If they are competitive by 2020...then they should be in 2021, 22, etc....so go in on that vision and just sign him now. Buy out those last few arb years so that a 5 or 6 year deal now ends when he's 35...instead of having to give him a 5 or 6 year deal at the age of 32.

            The Wilpons should have the answer to this...if not right now, then certainly by the time they name a new GM. If the plan is not to spend on FAs and sell off everything not nailed down, then its very unlikely they'll be competitive by 2020 so they should trade. If the plan is to smartly trade off a few assets to attempt to get players who may help in a year + make a significant splash in the FA market....then go all in and pay the man.

            Given his age and current production this year - whether folks want to argue now at the deadline or in the offseason, is really the time to decide on deGrom's future. Waiting too long involves paying him further away from his prime / potentially impacting his trade value (career year, still under control, this is pretty much peak value - and given this teams luck imagine him getting hurt next year).

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            • #7
              Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post
              It's true though. Stop dicking around and either sign him or trade him while the value is maxed out. There is no benefit besides Wilpon'd wallet to dick around for 2 more years and then let him walk.
              Isn't that what they did with Wright?
              The 2018 Mets - making the Titanic look buoyant.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Green Must Go View Post

                Isn't that what they did with Wright?
                The Mets signed Wright to an 8 year deal a year before he was a free agent at age 29.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post

                  Hypotheticals are direct questions? The likelihood of the Mets being competitive anytime in the next 5 years is minuscule unless there is a MASSIVE direction change in their philosophy.

                  Whatever answer you were looking for was already there. Sign him or trade him. If you are letting him walk in 2 years because he's still cheap relative to production then that's just a scam. If the end game is no extension then they are doing the entire franchise a disservice by not trading him for a bounty right now.
                  Is there some compelling reason that Mets should not see how deGrom performs during next season (and what his health is like), before considering signing him to a long-term extension?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post

                    The Mets signed Wright to an 8 year deal a year before he was a free agent at age 29.
                    And that ended so well, didn't it?

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                    • #11
                      [QUOTE=OrangeNblueNmyVeins;n1127633]

                      Hypotheticals are direct questions?/QUOTE]

                      Yes.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MrHat View Post

                        If they are competitive by 2020...then they should be in 2021, 22, etc....so go in on that vision and just sign him now. Buy out those last few arb years so that a 5 or 6 year deal now ends when he's 35...instead of having to give him a 5 or 6 year deal at the age of 32.

                        The Wilpons should have the answer to this...if not right now, then certainly by the time they name a new GM. If the plan is not to spend on FAs and sell off everything not nailed down, then its very unlikely they'll be competitive by 2020 so they should trade. If the plan is to smartly trade off a few assets to attempt to get players who may help in a year + make a significant splash in the FA market....then go all in and pay the man.

                        Given his age and current production this year - whether folks want to argue now at the deadline or in the offseason, is really the time to decide on deGrom's future. Waiting too long involves paying him further away from his prime / potentially impacting his trade value (career year, still under control, this is pretty much peak value - and given this teams luck imagine him getting hurt next year).
                        And if they start to look like they have real life at some point in the 2019 season, is there some reason that Mets couldn't try to sign deGrom to a contract extension at that time? What is the rush to do that right now, with two complete seasons of team control still left? What is the rush to do it now, before they see how he pitches next season & how his health is then, too?

                        Mets felt they had to sign David Wright to a long-term contract...and that has ended spectacularly badly (i.e. financially handcuffed the team to some extent). Personally, I don't want to see them make an unnecessarily premature signing now that could potentially blow up & cost them big, for years to come.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by metsheart View Post

                          Is there some compelling reason that Mets should not see how deGrom performs during next season (and what his health is like), before considering signing him to a long-term extension?
                          Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Do you understand value? deGrom's trade value will NEVER be higher than it is right now. So if the plan is to be wishy washy and just see down line if signing a 31 or 32 year old to a mega deal makes sense(it doesn't) and then they decide it's not(shocker) they wasted this opportunity to jump start a rebuild be getting mega prospects while deGrom has peak value. The older he gets and the closer to free agency he gets he depreciates. Understand this concept McFly????
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post

                            Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. Do you understand value? deGrom's trade value will NEVER be higher than it is right now. So if the plan is to be wishy washy and just see down line if signing a 31 or 32 year old to a mega deal makes sense(it doesn't) and then they decide it's not(shocker) they wasted this opportunity to jump start a rebuild be getting mega prospects while deGrom has peak value. The older he gets and the closer to free agency he gets he depreciates. Understand this concept McFly????
                            Yeah I get that you believe that 'deGrom's trade value will NEVER be higher than it is right now.' But that's not actually a fact -- that's just your personal opinion.

                            I have confidence that the front office's plan is to try to make the team better for when they will be competitive again. It seems to me that the team will likely not be competitive in 2019. So they probably have all or some portion of next season to see how deGrom performs, and to see the state of his health...before deciding if they want to offer him a contract past the 2020 season. In reality, there's no rush to sign deGrom to a long-term contract right this second.

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                            • #15
                              Obviously a pressure tactic by the agent, but the Mets are under no obligation to do anything right now. I guess his agent would LOVE to negotiate a long term deal while de Grom is pitching like this. But the Mets would be correct to resist doing anything until they straighten out their front office and develop some sort of plan.
                              Last edited by Seaver41; 07-16-2018, 05:44 PM. Reason: Typos

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