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  • MetfanBren
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    I'm probably one of his only supporters, but Church is better than Kearns. His career is trending up despite his regression against lefties last year. He's also light years ahead with the glove. Kearns has proven to be nothing other than a ton of hype against everyone but the Mets it seems (at least in 2007). Kearns is a year younger, but that's about it...

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  • dak11
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    Originally posted by Wright 5 View Post
    Uggla is NOT a good second baseman. Hs is only fourth because Belliard sucks worse. Utley is No. 1, Castillo is 2 by miles.
    Castillo is not as great as you tend to think. His range is nowhere near what it used to be.

    Plus, defense at 2B is very over-rated IMO.

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  • Wright 5
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    Loduca has to be on the field to be ranked ahead of schneider.

    Johnson has to be on the field to be ranked ahead of Delgado. No matter what happened last year, you will never convince me that Dmitri Young is any good.

    Uggla is NOT a good second baseman. Hs is only fourth because Belliard sucks worse. Utley is No. 1, Castillo is 2 by miles.

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  • DDPv6.0
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    3B
    1. Wright
    2. Jones
    3. Zimmerman
    4. Feliz
    5. McPherson

    2B
    1. Utley
    2. Johnson
    3. Uggla
    4. Castillo
    5. Belliard

    SS
    1. Ramirez
    2. Rollins
    3. Reyes
    4. Escobar
    5. Guzman

    1B.
    1. Howard
    2. Tex

    (Gap put in for emphasis)

    3. Young/Johnson
    4. Delgado
    5. Jacobs

    C
    1. McCann
    2. LoDuca
    3. Schneider
    4. Ruiz
    5. Rabelo

    LF
    1. Alou
    2. Burrell
    3. Wilingham
    4. Diaz
    5. Willy Mo

    RF
    1. Francouer
    2. Kearns
    3. Church
    4. Hermida
    5. Jenkins

    CF
    1. Beltran
    2. Milledge
    3. Victorino
    4. Maybin
    5. Kotsay


    1SP

    1. Santana
    2. Hamels
    3. Hudson
    4. Olsen
    5. Hill

    2SP
    1. Smoltz
    2. Pedro (Myers could easily displace him if Pedro isn't healthy, but if Pedro is healthy he and Smoltz are basically a tie.)
    3. Myers
    4. Mitre
    5. Patterson

    3SP
    1. Maine
    2. James
    3. Kendrick
    4. Bergmann
    5. Miller

    4SP
    1. Perez
    2. Moyer
    3. Glavine (Wanted to put him at #5 for the 5th starter just for the hell of it.)
    4. Hendrickson
    5. Lanan

    5SP
    1. El Duque
    2. Eaton
    3. Hampton (He's still alive?)
    4. Nolasco
    5. Chico

    Closer
    1. Wagner
    2. Cordero
    3. Soriano
    4. Lidge
    5. Gregg
    Last edited by DDPv6.0; 02-11-2008, 03:11 PM.

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  • Green Must Go
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    GJ - good work here. Stuck at work has its benefits sometime.

    A few comments:

    I don't think you can put Milledge at no. 2 CF.....yet.

    Also don't think Pedro can be no. 1 for 2SP, just because there are too many questions to be answered. Not saying he couldn't be, but time will tell.

    I'd put Delgado as no. 4 for 1B - I think he is toast.

    Rollins over Reyes.

    Castillo is at best no. 3 at 2B.

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  • graves9
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    Originally posted by gregjefferies09 View Post
    and posting just because this sucks.

    Anyway, on to the time waster; The GJ NL east ranking by position.



    3B
    1. Wright
    2. Zimmerman
    3. Larry
    4. Feliz
    5. McPherson

    2B
    1. Utley
    2. Castillo
    3. Belliard
    4. Johnson
    5. Uggla

    SS
    1. Ramirez
    2. Reyes
    3. Rollins
    4. Guzman
    5. Escobar

    1B.
    1. Howard
    2. Tex
    3. Delgado
    4. Young/Johnson
    5. Jacobs

    C
    1. McCann
    2. LoDuca
    3. Schneider
    4. Ruiz
    5. Rabelo

    LF
    1. Alou
    2. Burrell
    3. Wilingham
    4. Diaz
    5. Willy Mo

    RF
    1. Kearns
    2. Francuoer
    3. Church
    4. Hermida
    5. Jenkins

    CF
    1. Beltran
    2. Milledge
    3. Victorino
    4. Maybin
    5. Kotsay


    1SP

    1. Santana
    2. Hamels
    3. Hudson
    4. Olsen
    5. Hill

    2SP
    1. Pedro
    2. Smoltz
    3. Myers
    4. Mitre
    5. Patterson

    3SP
    1. Maine
    2. James
    3. Kendrick
    4. Bergmann
    5. Miller

    4SP
    1. Glavine
    2. Perez
    3. Moyer
    4. Hendrickson
    5. Lanan

    5SP
    1. El Duque
    2. Eaton
    3. Hampton
    4. Nolasco
    5. Chico

    Closer
    1. Wagner
    2. Cordero
    3. Soriano
    4. Lidge
    5. Gregg


    GJ All NL east team (minus middle relievers)

    SS Ramirez
    CF Beltran
    3B Wright
    1B Howard
    2B Utley
    LF Alou
    RF Kearns
    C McCann

    Rotation

    1. Santana
    2. Hamels
    3. Hudson
    4. Pedro
    5. Smoltz

    Closer

    Wagner
    How is Guzman ranked ahead of Escobar? Escobar hit over .300 in his rookie year. Guzman on the othe hand has either sucked or been injured for a long time now. Kearns ranked ahead of Francouer? Huh?

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  • Gold Glove
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    Originally posted by dak11 View Post
    He's only been in the ML's 2 seasons and in one of them he hit .282. I'm not claiming that's batting title area but that's more then acceptable given his 25+ HR, 100+ runs and 90 RBI type seasons he's put together.

    Even if he only bats .260 he's better then Belliard and Johnson by a mile.
    I have to agree with dak. Uggla definitely has more talent than Ronnie Belliard and I would say he's probably a better all-around player than Kelly Johnson as well.

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  • dak11
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    Originally posted by Mets bs View Post
    Uggla can't hit for average
    He's only been in the ML's 2 seasons and in one of them he hit .282. I'm not claiming that's batting title area but that's more then acceptable given his 25+ HR, 100+ runs and 90 RBI type seasons he's put together.

    Even if he only bats .260 he's better then Belliard and Johnson by a mile.

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  • Mets bs
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    Uggla can't hit for average or field his position -- the only thing keeping him around is that he has power; there is no way he is better than Castillo and you could make a case for Belliard.

    And it's hard to argue Hanley's offensive numbers but if you're looking at the whole package and long term future at the position, he is the worst defensive starting short stop in baseball.

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  • Busyman
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    Glavine is disappointed, but not devastated by people's low opinion of him.

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  • Wildboys
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    Originally posted by metfan8500 View Post
    A few things:

    1. I'd put Chipper at #2 over Zimmerman

    2. For 2nd base, I'd make it Utley, Uggla, Castillo, Johnson, Belliard

    3. For SS, Rollins has to go before Reyes - taking everything into account.
    I'd agree with all this.

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  • metfan8500
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    A few things:

    1. I'd put Chipper at #2 over Zimmerman

    2. For 2nd base, I'd make it Utley, Uggla, Castillo, Johnson, Belliard

    3. For SS, Rollins has to go before Reyes - taking everything into account.

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  • Led, the Revenge
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    Originally posted by NeilAllen View Post
    Wow. Some of you seriously, seriously underestimate Oliver Perez. I might even rank him second in #2 starters (behind Smoltz). Who could possibly feel more comfortable with Glavine on the mound over Perez?
    I wouldn't even rate Glavine above El Duque at this point, health considerations included. Perez craps all over Glavine at this point IMO. I also agree that Smoltz should be above Pedro.

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  • gregjefferies09
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    Originally posted by dak11 View Post
    Uggla the 5th best 2B is just crazy.
    I know, but with Valentin on the bench, I couldn't put him in the top 5.

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  • dak11
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    Uggla the 5th best 2B is just crazy.

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