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  • #16
    Originally posted by metfan8500 View Post
    A few things:

    1. I'd put Chipper at #2 over Zimmerman

    2. For 2nd base, I'd make it Utley, Uggla, Castillo, Johnson, Belliard

    3. For SS, Rollins has to go before Reyes - taking everything into account.
    I'd agree with all this.
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    • #17
      Glavine is disappointed, but not devastated by people's low opinion of him.

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      • #18
        Uggla can't hit for average or field his position -- the only thing keeping him around is that he has power; there is no way he is better than Castillo and you could make a case for Belliard.

        And it's hard to argue Hanley's offensive numbers but if you're looking at the whole package and long term future at the position, he is the worst defensive starting short stop in baseball.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mets bs View Post
          Uggla can't hit for average
          He's only been in the ML's 2 seasons and in one of them he hit .282. I'm not claiming that's batting title area but that's more then acceptable given his 25+ HR, 100+ runs and 90 RBI type seasons he's put together.

          Even if he only bats .260 he's better then Belliard and Johnson by a mile.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by dak11 View Post
            He's only been in the ML's 2 seasons and in one of them he hit .282. I'm not claiming that's batting title area but that's more then acceptable given his 25+ HR, 100+ runs and 90 RBI type seasons he's put together.

            Even if he only bats .260 he's better then Belliard and Johnson by a mile.
            I have to agree with dak. Uggla definitely has more talent than Ronnie Belliard and I would say he's probably a better all-around player than Kelly Johnson as well.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by gregjefferies09 View Post
              and posting just because this sucks.

              Anyway, on to the time waster; The GJ NL east ranking by position.



              3B
              1. Wright
              2. Zimmerman
              3. Larry
              4. Feliz
              5. McPherson

              2B
              1. Utley
              2. Castillo
              3. Belliard
              4. Johnson
              5. Uggla

              SS
              1. Ramirez
              2. Reyes
              3. Rollins
              4. Guzman
              5. Escobar

              1B.
              1. Howard
              2. Tex
              3. Delgado
              4. Young/Johnson
              5. Jacobs

              C
              1. McCann
              2. LoDuca
              3. Schneider
              4. Ruiz
              5. Rabelo

              LF
              1. Alou
              2. Burrell
              3. Wilingham
              4. Diaz
              5. Willy Mo

              RF
              1. Kearns
              2. Francuoer
              3. Church
              4. Hermida
              5. Jenkins

              CF
              1. Beltran
              2. Milledge
              3. Victorino
              4. Maybin
              5. Kotsay


              1SP

              1. Santana
              2. Hamels
              3. Hudson
              4. Olsen
              5. Hill

              2SP
              1. Pedro
              2. Smoltz
              3. Myers
              4. Mitre
              5. Patterson

              3SP
              1. Maine
              2. James
              3. Kendrick
              4. Bergmann
              5. Miller

              4SP
              1. Glavine
              2. Perez
              3. Moyer
              4. Hendrickson
              5. Lanan

              5SP
              1. El Duque
              2. Eaton
              3. Hampton
              4. Nolasco
              5. Chico

              Closer
              1. Wagner
              2. Cordero
              3. Soriano
              4. Lidge
              5. Gregg


              GJ All NL east team (minus middle relievers)

              SS Ramirez
              CF Beltran
              3B Wright
              1B Howard
              2B Utley
              LF Alou
              RF Kearns
              C McCann

              Rotation

              1. Santana
              2. Hamels
              3. Hudson
              4. Pedro
              5. Smoltz

              Closer

              Wagner
              How is Guzman ranked ahead of Escobar? Escobar hit over .300 in his rookie year. Guzman on the othe hand has either sucked or been injured for a long time now. Kearns ranked ahead of Francouer? Huh?
              For the Wright haters. Wright's career numbers with runners on 2nd and 3rd
              .343/.481/.600 /1.081

              Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out
              .419/.431/.671/1.102

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              • #22
                GJ - good work here. Stuck at work has its benefits sometime.

                A few comments:

                I don't think you can put Milledge at no. 2 CF.....yet.

                Also don't think Pedro can be no. 1 for 2SP, just because there are too many questions to be answered. Not saying he couldn't be, but time will tell.

                I'd put Delgado as no. 4 for 1B - I think he is toast.

                Rollins over Reyes.

                Castillo is at best no. 3 at 2B.
                The 2018 Mets - making the Titanic look buoyant.

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                • #23
                  3B
                  1. Wright
                  2. Jones
                  3. Zimmerman
                  4. Feliz
                  5. McPherson

                  2B
                  1. Utley
                  2. Johnson
                  3. Uggla
                  4. Castillo
                  5. Belliard

                  SS
                  1. Ramirez
                  2. Rollins
                  3. Reyes
                  4. Escobar
                  5. Guzman

                  1B.
                  1. Howard
                  2. Tex

                  (Gap put in for emphasis)

                  3. Young/Johnson
                  4. Delgado
                  5. Jacobs

                  C
                  1. McCann
                  2. LoDuca
                  3. Schneider
                  4. Ruiz
                  5. Rabelo

                  LF
                  1. Alou
                  2. Burrell
                  3. Wilingham
                  4. Diaz
                  5. Willy Mo

                  RF
                  1. Francouer
                  2. Kearns
                  3. Church
                  4. Hermida
                  5. Jenkins

                  CF
                  1. Beltran
                  2. Milledge
                  3. Victorino
                  4. Maybin
                  5. Kotsay


                  1SP

                  1. Santana
                  2. Hamels
                  3. Hudson
                  4. Olsen
                  5. Hill

                  2SP
                  1. Smoltz
                  2. Pedro (Myers could easily displace him if Pedro isn't healthy, but if Pedro is healthy he and Smoltz are basically a tie.)
                  3. Myers
                  4. Mitre
                  5. Patterson

                  3SP
                  1. Maine
                  2. James
                  3. Kendrick
                  4. Bergmann
                  5. Miller

                  4SP
                  1. Perez
                  2. Moyer
                  3. Glavine (Wanted to put him at #5 for the 5th starter just for the hell of it.)
                  4. Hendrickson
                  5. Lanan

                  5SP
                  1. El Duque
                  2. Eaton
                  3. Hampton (He's still alive?)
                  4. Nolasco
                  5. Chico

                  Closer
                  1. Wagner
                  2. Cordero
                  3. Soriano
                  4. Lidge
                  5. Gregg
                  Last edited by DDPv6.0; 02-11-2008, 03:11 PM.
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                  • #24
                    Loduca has to be on the field to be ranked ahead of schneider.

                    Johnson has to be on the field to be ranked ahead of Delgado. No matter what happened last year, you will never convince me that Dmitri Young is any good.

                    Uggla is NOT a good second baseman. Hs is only fourth because Belliard sucks worse. Utley is No. 1, Castillo is 2 by miles.
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                    All I know is we got some butter and salt for that popcorn

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Wright 5 View Post
                      Uggla is NOT a good second baseman. Hs is only fourth because Belliard sucks worse. Utley is No. 1, Castillo is 2 by miles.
                      Castillo is not as great as you tend to think. His range is nowhere near what it used to be.

                      Plus, defense at 2B is very over-rated IMO.

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                      • #26
                        I'm probably one of his only supporters, but Church is better than Kearns. His career is trending up despite his regression against lefties last year. He's also light years ahead with the glove. Kearns has proven to be nothing other than a ton of hype against everyone but the Mets it seems (at least in 2007). Kearns is a year younger, but that's about it...
                        "Jeff is the problem with the organization, and he is never going to realize that. He cannot help himself. He has to be involved. He will never hire anyone who will not let him have major input. He will not hire anyone who does not run every personnel decision through him."

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