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  • #31
    **** 'em.

    We're 2 days from officially being in Pornography Season.

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    • #32
      Omar will try to get the best talent he can, NO MATTER THE RACE,
      I sure hope so because the Dominican crony thing is not working...

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Hojo of 1991 View Post
        I think when Maine said he wasn't focused after the ASB was a tell-tale sign of that.
        I said at the time that was a HUGE freaking red flag right there.

        I like the kid, but he made me feel like an idiot for wanting him to go to the ASG and then feeling sorry for him when he didn't.
        I’m just talking about the most basic aspects of team ownership and stewardship. These guys aren’t just bad at it; they’re the definition of dysfunctional. If the Mets were their kid, Child Services would’ve whisked the team into foster care years ago.
        http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/11/...ggest-turkeys/

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Paulie Cee View Post
          I get the feeling there is much more going on in the clubhouse than any of us are privy to.


          I mentioned this yesterday.I wholeheartedly believe this is the case.
          Mr. Met- The fans should have rushed the field, and taken a dump on it.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by LAS VEGAS DAVE View Post
            I mentioned this yesterday.I wholeheartedly believe this is the case.
            Of course it's the case... it's ALWAYS the case. You guys are blowing it way out of proportion, IMO, though.

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            • #36
              I think there will be a major change. When you are the organization that is responsible for one of the biggest collapses in sports, you cannot bring back the same cast of characters the next year.

              Duque and Alou should not be here next year. Under no circumstances.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hojo of 1991 View Post
                Of course it's the case... it's ALWAYS the case. You guys are blowing it way out of proportion, IMO, though.
                Whatever's going on in the clubhouse, it didn't get Duque injured, it didn't make our other starters capable of going maybe five innings, it didn't give Pelfrey, Lawrence and Humber starts, and it didn't turn all of our relievers' arms to mush.

                That doesn't mean that this collapse won't expose whatever's going on behind the scenes, though. If this is a divided clubhouse and this team blows it, they're gonna self-destruct spectacularly at the first sign of trouble next year. (Which is a shame, because I thought the Mets did a rather good job of weathering storms this year... until now).
                I’m just talking about the most basic aspects of team ownership and stewardship. These guys aren’t just bad at it; they’re the definition of dysfunctional. If the Mets were their kid, Child Services would’ve whisked the team into foster care years ago.
                http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/11/...ggest-turkeys/

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                • #38
                  With a better tactical manager, a reasonable swingman/sixth starter, another legitimate righty set-up man, and a good righty pinch-hitter on the bench, the Mets are probably in the playoffs. They'll miss the postseason by one or two games, it's not like the Mets won 65 games. Unless the Phillies or Braves sign A-Rod, neither of those teams will be any better next year.

                  Not only is a "total" rebuild unnecessary, it's also impossible. There's nothing out there this offseason. Even if there was something out there, the Mets don't have a whole lot to trade. At most, and I consider this unlikely, they could package Milledge/Gomez and Pelfrey/Humber together with some other parts to make a run at Adam Dunn or Chad Cordero/Brad Lidge. At the end of the day, the Mets are probably better off keeping their young talent in hopes that they are ready to play next year.
                  Originally posted by Busyman, September 28, 2008
                  1. Fire Omar
                  2. Re-hire Omar so you can fire him again
                  3. Literally set Omar on fire.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Gregory Gewirtz View Post
                    At the end of the day, the Mets are probably better off keeping their young talent in hopes that they are ready to play next year.
                    we're ****ed
                    I’m just talking about the most basic aspects of team ownership and stewardship. These guys aren’t just bad at it; they’re the definition of dysfunctional. If the Mets were their kid, Child Services would’ve whisked the team into foster care years ago.
                    http://www.uniwatchblog.com/2009/11/...ggest-turkeys/

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by nique View Post
                      I think there will be a major change. When you are the organization that is responsible for one of the biggest collapses in sports, you cannot bring back the same cast of characters the next year.

                      Duque and Alou should not be here next year. Under no circumstances.
                      I hope to god I am wrong. But I think some on this board are in for a HUGE disappointment this off-season. You are about to find out what Wilpon is all about. And with a new stadium on the horizon and GUARANTEED full houses in 2009 regardless of the quality of the team, Wilpon will have little motivation to do anything of significance this off-season. He will go into 2008 content with his belief that the team will "contend".
                      Also, remember that Wilpon will be missing out on playoff revenues this year. He was likely counting on that when considering a budget for '08. That is not going to bode well for anyone thinking we will go hard after a Santana type ace who is likely to cost $90 million +.

                      Yes, he may try to dump a couple of salaries. Omar will also try and pick up some "diamond in rough" guys like Sosa and Gotay. But that is all. You'll see.
                      "The New York Mets...where legends become GARBAGE"

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                      • #41
                        The Mets have a television network. Isn't that the cash cow?

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by mets84 View Post
                          we're ****ed
                          I wouldn't go that far. Milledge was the only one who had any level of AAA success before being called up, and he's still only 23 or so. Pelfrey and Humber are probably not the new Smoltz and Mussina, but they are both very young and both have been rushed through the system. Same basic idea with Carlos Gomez - very young, called up too soon.

                          If the Mets can get something worthwhile for any or all of them, great. I'd just hate for the Mets to lose them all in a panic trade.
                          Originally posted by Busyman, September 28, 2008
                          1. Fire Omar
                          2. Re-hire Omar so you can fire him again
                          3. Literally set Omar on fire.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ultramet View Post
                            Obviously, I am stumped as to why this team collapsed. I honestly believe it is multifactorial: aging and relatively inexperienced players who tired easily, Omar grouping together players who play well in April but succumb to pressure, Omar gambling on player's abilities, Willie's managerial inexperience, the Sports Illustrated curse, and again players just not performing.

                            That said, can this be fixed in an offseason and if so how? Who should stay and who should go? (inlcuding managers, coaches, and players). Also can this be turned around in an offseason?



                            Also, has your confidence in Omar to fix things been shattered? I must admit that after this year, I realize that he is a bit overrated at this stage but still capable of great things, including putting together a championship team.

                            I personally believe that all emphasis in repairing this mess has to be placed on all aspects of our pitching. Pitching wins championships. We saw this in the NLCS last year and we have seen this again this September.
                            This season is strictly on Willie. We had the division in our pocket. Willie started two rookies in must win games. Omar put together a team that was able to win division. How do you get swept by the Nationals at home, in the final week?
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by mets84 View Post
                              Whatever's going on in the clubhouse, it didn't get Duque injured, it didn't make our other starters capable of going maybe five innings, it didn't give Pelfrey, Lawrence and Humber starts, and it didn't turn all of our relievers' arms to mush.

                              That doesn't mean that this collapse won't expose whatever's going on behind the scenes, though. If this is a divided clubhouse and this team blows it, they're gonna self-destruct spectacularly at the first sign of trouble next year. (Which is a shame, because I thought the Mets did a rather good job of weathering storms this year... until now).

                              EXACTLY!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by SteveJRogers View Post
                                Big difference, NO ONE questioned whether or not David Wright seemed to care after his post HR derby funk. No one was questioning his heart and determination to win every game or saw a difference in his play from the first half of 2006 to the second half of 2006. It was just seen as a funk, and something was wrong with the mechanics of his swing. Not a complete change in his demeanor and attitude on the field.

                                Not saying I'm in the "get rid of Reyes" camp, I'm just saying the two situations aren't comparable.
                                Wrong. Last season, and throughout his awful April there was a huge bandwagon for the Partying Pimp Avenger of the Night conspiracy theories for Wright.
                                "There have been artists who have failed to capture dichotomy as beautifully as the Mets have in playing Wilmer Flores at shortstop and Juan Lagares in center field."

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