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  • #16
    Originally posted by MrHat View Post
    Yeah I was let down on the 2nd movie.....there were so many wtf moments to me - I'll trying without spoilers, but Finn & Rose surrounded 1 sec, then not the next, then the same troopers marching in from like 50 feet away. Rey showing up in the falcon after Snooky. The Luke ending. Luke grabbin a quick drink down by the shore. The "Sith" hole.

    I dunno...really feel like they could have scrapped pretty much everything with Luke and Rey on the island...such a waste. The whole Casino plot line was just terrible...dial up insta help, just happened to be easily accessible...need a master hacker...but anyone will do..sigh. I hated the "virtual" visits with Ben and Rey. Sorry Adam Driver just doesn't look like a villain...he's still way too emo. Again wish they never had him take off his mask in the first movie.

    Agreed we needed more Poe...he was kind of meh in the first film, but he was excellent here. Also really felt like Finn didn't get much to work with either.

    I don't mind that Rey suddenly is like a master pilot/swordsman/engineer....I just think its really inconsistent in how they use it.
    SPOT ON as usual..along with all the other critiques..sadly..its been going down hill for me with the movies..EXCEPT for Rogue1 which I agree is the best of the recent Lot..

    Saw with My Son..and he made the point..what a disappointment by Snoke..how useless was he??...wont spoil rest..but expected more....MUCH MORE..and Kylo is no great shakes either as pointed out....

    (sigh) lets see how they Butcher Han now..
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    • #17
      I definitely didn't leave the theater feeling like I was supercharged or even pining for the next chapter. I definitely will need to watch it again, but the more stuff i read, the less I like it in retrospect.

      Agree with the Snoke point 100%. I was expecting more, and for that character arch to be a bit more robust and meaningful - maybe there's more to it yet, hopefully.
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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kid A View Post
        I definitely didn't leave the theater feeling like I was supercharged or even pining for the next chapter. I definitely will need to watch it again, but the more stuff i read, the less I like it in retrospect.

        Agree with the Snoke point 100%. I was expecting more, and for that character arch to be a bit more robust and meaningful - maybe there's more to it yet, hopefully.
        That's how I feel about every story arc really. Luke part left me scratching my head thinking... that was it? Snoke... that was it? Rey's parents... that was it? Finn the entire movie... that was it? The only character they seemed to do any justice to the entire movie was Kylo (Ben). I swear he's the only one i like in the entire trilogy at this point. It's sad when you're rooting for the emo punk ass *****, but he's the only character that is getting any character development at all and has some depth to him. Everyone else seems like a meme.
        I guess if liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Shastada View Post

          That's how I feel about every story arc really. Luke part left me scratching my head thinking... that was it? Snoke... that was it? Rey's parents... that was it? Finn the entire movie... that was it? The only character they seemed to do any justice to the entire movie was Kylo (Ben). I swear he's the only one i like in the entire trilogy at this point. It's sad when you're rooting for the emo punk ass *****, but he's the only character that is getting any character development at all and has some depth to him. Everyone else seems like a meme.
          You're killing me here. Agree. I hadn't even given the Rose and Finn plot a second thought. Or the casino scene which just felt like filler nonsense. Also lack of R2D2 and C3PO? The Luke story was aggravating, you wait 30 years to see him on the big screen and that is what you get. He was very good in the movie, the story line was just weak. Emo Ren better turn up the anger, because it feels like there's nothing left to fight or a reason for the next film.

          Visually stunning film, a story that could have had some real legs, but executed poorly - all capped off by Carrie Fischer floating though space.

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          • #20
            A big issue for me is that the middle hour or so was so pointless that it could have been cut out out entirely and it'd have not affected the story end at all. Everything centered around Finn, Rose and Poe led absolutely nowhere and did literally nothing to actually advance plot beyond needless "Look at these effects! Look at all the different aliens in a casino!" moments. Even with God awful prequels things had purpose and led to character development and overall plot progression to get the story from point A-C. The arcs for Finn, Rose and Poe (and Chewie) were effectively numbers and not letters.
            Basically the characters and "story" are just vehicles to show us how Rey is the most awesome Jedi/pilot/mechanic/Space Skyper ever. And the annoying part is if you criticise her character you're just slammed as a sexist alt-righter furious they have women and black men as leads, which is nonsense as I rank Rogue One just behind Empire and I'm pissed at how badly Finn was used and I actually liked Rose as a character and felt she was also wasted in boring pointless visual extravaganza's.
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            • #21
              Saw this on xmas and it was a let down. For me it seems that they're trying to run with too many story lines and characters so none actually get developed or receive any amount of time for it to actually be meaningful. The first trilogy had a bunch of characters but for the most part they were together most of the time. Now it seems that they are all over the place where none get any extended time.

              Rey with all her powers are ridiculous at this point. There's rumors around stating where they potentially come from but even with that it seems dumb. Seems a little too Harry Potteresq story line with how she has her power.

              Luke was a virtual waste and seemed more about giving a nod to the star of the first trilogy then developing any meaningful story with him. I was expecting a Yoda/Luke mentor relationship in 'learning' the force. They way they ended his story line in this movie was a total let down.

              They might as well just get rid of C3PO and R2D2 at this point because all they are memorabilia at this point in the movies.

              Is it just me or is there just bad acting throughout the movie? Almost all of the evil characters are so over the top that it almost came off as a spoof movie.

              Snope is all powerful and can feel Kilo's emotion but wouldn't feel when he was using the force a few feet away?

              Poe is a good character but again they make the good guys way too powerful. He's able to take on a Empire ship and disarm all the guns all by himself?

              The Rose/Finn story line was not needed at all. Guess they wanted to create a romantic situation and get him into the story somehow.

              The fact that the Empires ships cannot catch up to the rebel ship was another ridiculous story line. This along with the fact that Finn/Rose had enough time to leave that ship, do everything they did on the planet, get captured, etc. while the ships wouldn't be so far away it wouldn't matter if they succeeded.

              Add in that they decide to pull off their tie fighters because the large ship wouldn't be able to protect them? Who cares, with that many Imperial star destroyers they'd have 1000's of tie fighters to send out and why would they worry about losing any of them as they can just clone more pilots?

              When exactly did ships get a cloaking device? And while on ships how exactly do they run out of gas? Did they not fill-up just prior to their mission? How are ships not nuclear (or other none expiring fuel source) powered at this point?

              Seemed the writer created problems just so that they could figure out how to fix them.

              What was the point of the frozen dogs? They were a prime example of creating something that was just not needed to fix a problem.

              How it it at this point that the Empire puts all their ships on one side of the planet only to allow escape out the other side.

              There's plenty more wrong with this film - like it was too long - that I won't continue to get in to but, the person I went with said she was done with it long before it ended and kept hoping that some points of the movie was the ending and it just continued.

              I'll watch it again at some point on DVD/HBO. Maybe it will be like the first movie where it got slightly better the 2nd viewing but I'm not holding my breath.
              Last edited by dak11; 12-29-2017, 12:10 PM.

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              • #22
                I hadnt been paying much attention outside of the discussion here, but apparently most fans werent very high on the movie. Not a huge surprise given expectations and the critics rave reviews.

                I just noticed on Rotten tomatoes, the critics give this move such high marks and the customers such low marks. I have seen before the situation where critics give 28% scores and viewers 87% but I dont think i have ever seen the critics give a 90% vs viewers at 51%.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Kid A View Post
                  I hadnt been paying much attention outside of the discussion here, but apparently most fans werent very high on the movie. Not a huge surprise given expectations and the critics rave reviews.

                  I just noticed on Rotten tomatoes, the critics give this move such high marks and the customers such low marks. I have seen before the situation where critics give 28% scores and viewers 87% but I dont think i have ever seen the critics give a 90% vs viewers at 51%.
                  I see more Youtube videos complaining about all the errors, mistakes, dumb stuff but those same people still claim to 'love it'. Honestly every day that passes I get more annoyed about this movie, not less. Such a sloppy piece of gobbledygook. I think Disney is slowly pushing away the 'old fans' because they want to focus on the 'next generation' but fact is my kid and my nieces and nephews don't give a damn about star wars. I think they'll kill off a large portion of the fan base in the next 5 years. They'll be left with a money printing machine but more on the order of magnitude of the Marvel movies and not the current Star Wars pace. You'll start to see the Star wars movie as NOT the top grossing movie of the year.
                  I guess if liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all

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                  • #24
                    I've actually liked everything Star Wars since Disney bought it up UNTIL this movie. In regards to the disparity with rotten tomatoes, because some anonymous alt right basement dweller claims to have made bots (even though he then said it was actually a "friend" who made them) because he hates women and a black man being the leads now, it's just fueled the claims that criticism is just sexism/racism or salty fan boys.
                    I really enjoyed the Force Awakens, and the more I think about this one the more I'm convinced Johnson wrote it just to piss off devoted fans and give the finger to Abrams. JJ is going to have to do some heavy lifting to overcome this **** show and the mess it's left things. As much as people said FA was just a new take on A New Hope, this was just as much a riff on Empire but unlike FA incredibly boring and a spit in the face rather than a homage to the originals for fans.

                    The question I now ask is do any of the characters serve a purpose beyond being background noise to the story of Rey and her inappropriate crush on the patricidal emo guy who likes making space skype calls "accidentally" topless?
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                    • #25
                      There is a new wave of 'counter' backlash. Lots of articles getting written slamming the people that are complaining about Last Jedi. This makes me think it's an organized campaign by big Disney pushing an agenda to belittle the complaints.
                      I guess if liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all

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                      • #26
                        IMDB Ratings

                        Ep - score (votes)

                        IV - 8.7 (> 1m)
                        V - 8.8 (950k)
                        VI - 8.4 (780k)
                        I - 6.5 (600k)
                        II - 6.6 (525k)
                        III - 7.6 (586k)
                        VII - 8.0 (716k)
                        VIII - 7.6 (251k)

                        Rogue One - 7.8 (395k)

                        This puts Last Jedi below Rogue One and Revenge of the Sith. I think it'll drop more over time as most scores start out higher and drop over time.
                        I guess if liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all

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                        • #27
                          A "New Hope" for Star Wars future films?

                          https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...211651543.html

                          Here’s some news that’s bound to send geek fandom into hyperdrive: The guys who took us to Westeros are ready to explore whole new worlds. David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, the Emmy-winning creators of HBO’s Game of Thrones, have signed on to write and produce a series of Star Wars films, Lucasfilm announced Tuesday.

                          The Benioff and Weiss movies will be completely separate from the central Skywalker Saga.....
                          Perhaps these guys will leave alot less holes in plots of future films...
                          ACCEPTED TRUTH: That I will be ROYALLY F**CKED OVER by EVERY TEAM I ROOT FOR (METS, JETS & KNICKS) !!!

                          Citifield & Mets...the place where Sluggers Careers go to DIE"

                          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTLzr2Al_Os

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by 86mets View Post
                            A "New Hope" for Star Wars future films?

                            https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...211651543.html



                            Perhaps these guys will leave alot less holes in plots of future films...
                            Honestly don't see this as a good thing. GoT writing went to the shitter once they were out of book material and now they're in cliched hurry up mode to get it over with. I don't trust them to come up with original material that isn't garbage... now the only chance of success is if they're lifting story material directly from some EU books (series on Thrawn?) or video game series (KOTOR).
                            I guess if liberals didn't have double standards, they wouldn't have any standards at all

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Shastada View Post

                              Honestly don't see this as a good thing. GoT writing went to the shitter once they were out of book material and now they're in cliched hurry up mode to get it over with. I don't trust them to come up with original material that isn't garbage... now the only chance of success is if they're lifting story material directly from some EU books (series on Thrawn?) or video game series (KOTOR).
                              Agreed with this.It's easy to come up with ideas right out of the books. Plus, Martin has been involved with the scripts, where the story was going, and has already told them how he sees it ending. They're not really coming up with story ideas but just following his timeline/blueprint.

                              Maybe they'll turn out to write a good story but they haven't done it on their own yet as far as I know.

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