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    Well? How excited is everyone?
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    I've read mixed reviews. I'll have to rewatch Force Awakens sometime this week before going to see it
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    • #3
      My favorite part was when Jar Jar showed up.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by OrangeNblueNmyVeins View Post
        My favorite part was when Jar Jar showed up.
        You mean Darth Jar Jar

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        • #5
          Without any spoilers, i will just say that i went last night and It was pretty damn good. They might have actually made a better movie it if was 15 mins shorter.
          Definitely not better than Empire (probably not even its equal) as some have said. Have to see it again.

          So far I like Rouge One the best of all the recent ones.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Kid A View Post
            Without any spoilers, i will just say that i went last night and It was pretty damn good. They might have actually made a better movie it if was 15 mins shorter.
            Definitely not better than Empire (probably not even its equal) as some have said. Have to see it again.

            So far I like Rouge One the best of all the recent ones.

            Speaking of of which the Han Solo movie is due out Memorial Day. I still wanna see a young Yoda movie, who do I gotta talk to to get that done.
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            • #7
              Not so excited about Solo flick. Never really felt the need to know his backstory, he's fairly 1 dimensional IMO. I'll see it because its still related to Star Wars and I was skeptical about Rogue One and ended up loving it.

              Reading some news, Jedi is behind Force Awakens so far and folks are thinking maybe people are burned out by the number of SW films coming out in such a short period of time.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Kid A View Post
                Not so excited about Solo flick. Never really felt the need to know his backstory, he's fairly 1 dimensional IMO. I'll see it because its still related to Star Wars and I was skeptical about Rogue One and ended up loving it.

                Reading some news, Jedi is behind Force Awakens so far and folks are thinking maybe people are burned out by the number of SW films coming out in such a short period of time.
                Well Force Awakens was the first SW firm in over a decade so it had built up expectations. Now that they are throwing them out there every year you can't expect them all to do as well financially. But lets face it, they print money for Disney and will keep coming every year until they don't.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Kid A View Post
                  Without any spoilers, i will just say that i went last night and It was pretty damn good. They might have actually made a better movie it if was 15 mins shorter.
                  Definitely not better than Empire (probably not even its equal) as some have said. Have to see it again.

                  So far I like Rouge One the best of all the recent ones.
                  Just got home from my viewing. Agreed that Rogue One was the best of the 3, and I personally enjoyed Force Awakens a bit more too, despite being a re-imagining of A New Hope. There were some truly amazing parts, but I felt there was a bit too much prequel style "Here look at all the cool visuals and things" and as you say a bit too much filler. And I just don't like Rey.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Led, the Revenge View Post

                    Just got home from my viewing. Agreed that Rogue One was the best of the 3, and I personally enjoyed Force Awakens a bit more too, despite being a re-imagining of A New Hope. There were some truly amazing parts, but I felt there was a bit too much prequel style "Here look at all the cool visuals and things" and as you say a bit too much filler. And I just don't like Rey.
                    My biggest issue with Rey is that she makes no sense... She's a strong independent woman trope as far as I'm concerned. Her motivations make no sense to me. Why is she choosing light over dark side? She's had no directing influence on her her entire life. I like Finn and Poe as characters as they make much more sense and their motivations seem relatable. Rey IMO makes counter-intuitive decisions based on what we know of her.
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                    • #11
                      She's the most Mary Sue of all Mary Sue's ever, that's my issue. She's a better pilot than Han, one of the best in the galaxy, knows how to use and fix hyperdrives having never left a planet, and her immediate and powerful ability with force powers and a lightsaber and no training (or even knowing a Jedi) is just ridiculous. Don't worry folks, no spoilers there - I hated her super abilities in the first movie made her annoyingly super awesome in the Force Awakens, it's just a continued theme that surprises nobody. There's no hero's journey, and I much prefer Finn or even Rose. Poe's awesome though, there needs to be more Poe.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Led, the Revenge View Post
                        She's the most Mary Sue of all Mary Sue's ever, that's my issue. She's a better pilot than Han, one of the best in the galaxy, knows how to use and fix hyperdrives having never left a planet, and her immediate and powerful ability with force powers and a lightsaber and no training (or even knowing a Jedi) is just ridiculous. Don't worry folks, no spoilers there - I hated her super abilities in the first movie made her annoyingly super awesome in the Force Awakens, it's just a continued theme that surprises nobody. There's no hero's journey, and I much prefer Finn or even Rose. Poe's awesome though, there needs to be more Poe.
                        They made a point to make every male character 'bad' in some way too. They made Luke a dick, Finn is a coward, Poe is a hothead that ruined everything... blah blah blah...

                        Never mind the plot of this trilogy makes zero sense... so after ~30 years of relative peace and prosperity in the galaxy the First Order just pops up with a mega **** ton of new weapons a super base and lots of other crap and the republic just sat on its hands doing nothing and have a meager and pathetic military? In what galaxy far far away does that make any sense? In the Force Awakens it's not clear that they have no other capabilities but in this one it is that this is all the resistance has. It's pathetic.

                        Also they tried to play up the Military Industrial Complex in this one with all the rich dbags that enrich themselves off war. I'm sorry in this galaxy it makes no sense. Where is the money coming from for the FO to have all this cash to pay them? And why would they pay them instead of just take the weapons and kill them off so they can't supply the other side? Just look at GoT when Dany got her slave army and freed them and slaughtered the owners and took back the payment. You think the FO wouldn't do the exact same thing. Thanks for that cool new tech and spaceships, now you die.

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                        • #13
                          Yeah I was let down on the 2nd movie.....there were so many wtf moments to me - I'll trying without spoilers, but Finn & Rose surrounded 1 sec, then not the next, then the same troopers marching in from like 50 feet away. Rey showing up in the falcon after Snooky. The Luke ending. Luke grabbin a quick drink down by the shore. The "Sith" hole.

                          I dunno...really feel like they could have scrapped pretty much everything with Luke and Rey on the island...such a waste. The whole Casino plot line was just terrible...dial up insta help, just happened to be easily accessible...need a master hacker...but anyone will do..sigh. I hated the "virtual" visits with Ben and Rey. Sorry Adam Driver just doesn't look like a villain...he's still way too emo. Again wish they never had him take off his mask in the first movie.

                          Agreed we needed more Poe...he was kind of meh in the first film, but he was excellent here. Also really felt like Finn didn't get much to work with either.

                          I don't mind that Rey suddenly is like a master pilot/swordsman/engineer....I just think its really inconsistent in how they use it.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Led, the Revenge View Post
                            She's the most Mary Sue of all Mary Sue's ever, that's my issue. She's a better pilot than Han, one of the best in the galaxy, knows how to use and fix hyperdrives having never left a planet, and her immediate and powerful ability with force powers and a lightsaber and no training (or even knowing a Jedi) is just ridiculous. Don't worry folks, no spoilers there - I hated her super abilities in the first movie made her annoyingly super awesome in the Force Awakens, it's just a continued theme that surprises nobody. There's no hero's journey, and I much prefer Finn or even Rose. Poe's awesome though, there needs to be more Poe.
                            I excused it in TFW because Luke was very much a Mary-Sue (or would it be Marty-Sam) in the first film, but made blunder after blunder in Empire and crafted the most convoluted rescue plan ever in Jedi that you could see his character grow.

                            But I see the point in TLJ that Rey hasn’t had the kind of humbling moments or realization that she’’d be endangering others with her presence the way Luke did in both Empire and Jedi.

                            Its okay for a protagonist character to start off one way that puts off fans in one way or another (too perfect, optimistic, full of themselves, etc) but get him or her to grow as a person, and gain self-awareness about their situations in future serialized stories (comics, books, TV shows, movies, etc) that they are in.

                            Otherwise its just bad ongoing story telling.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by SteveJRogers View Post

                              I excused it in TFW because Luke was very much a Mary-Sue (or would it be Marty-Sam) in the first film, but made blunder after blunder in Empire and crafted the most convoluted rescue plan ever in Jedi that you could see his character grow.

                              But I see the point in TLJ that Rey hasn’t had the kind of humbling moments or realization that she’’d be endangering others with her presence the way Luke did in both Empire and Jedi.

                              Its okay for a protagonist character to start off one way that puts off fans in one way or another (too perfect, optimistic, full of themselves, etc) but get him or her to grow as a person, and gain self-awareness about their situations in future serialized stories (comics, books, TV shows, movies, etc) that they are in.

                              Otherwise its just bad ongoing story telling.
                              Yeah Luke was perhaps a bit too heroic in the first film, but even with his key moment (the trench run) to succeed he had to have a whole squadron die as sacrifices to get him there, Han save his ass AND have a force ghost give him advice. Even prior to that he lost R2, got knocked out by Tusken Raiders, gets zapped in the ass by a floating droid because despite how powerful he was in the force he didn't know how to use it, had to have Obi-Wan save him from killers about to murder his farm boy ass, he got laughed at by the Princess he came to rescue and had no plan to get out, got dragged under water and needed rescuing (again) and even as the titular hero he and his pals were LET go by Vader so they could be tracked to the rebel base. He was constantly out of his depth and needed a whole bunch of other people saving his wide eyed self (and they all needed a lot of help from R2).

                              In TFA, even when Rey DOES get captured she's still able to push a powerful Sith user out of her mind and use jedi mind tricks to get a guard to let her loose despite not even knowing what the force really is. Even the other key hero, Finn, has to overcome his being a coward and generally not be very good in a fight. Poe gets captured and has to be released by Finn (can't discuss his character in TLJ without spoilers).

                              I know anyone now calling her a Mary Sue is instantly called a sexist (big surprise), but it ultimately comes down to the fact that her super duperness is as you say bad writing and storytelling. She's boring for how instantly great she is. Calling criticism of her as being sexist is just as bad as the nerds howling about the leads in the new films being black or women as social justice ruining their take on SW.
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