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Old 07-04-2008, 10:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default When does Beltran get moved out of the clean up spot?

Why is it that despite how much this piece of **** sucks and how many strikes he looks at he is firmly entrenched in the clean up spot? I don't think I have ever seen a worse cleanup hitter. I don't care if they bat Easley fourth, they need to send a message to the Puerto Rican Bobby Bonilla that his shitty play will not be tolerated for another minute.
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He is clearly not a cleaup hitter. I said it in the IGT and I'll repeat it here. He should be salivating for the RBI with RISP but instead he is content to just take strikes when he's ahead in the count and refuses to protect the plate with 2 strikes. He doesnt have a cleanup mentality. I still like him as a player but for God's sake bat him 2nd.
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As as Rays fan, and an unbiased observer, I would agree. He does not have the killer instinct to be batting 4th. Your Mets need to get a cleanup hitter in the worst way, moving beltran back to his MVP-season 3 spot, and putting Wright 5th. It really lengthens the lineup well.
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Beltran's poor hitting is the main reason the Mets are a mediocre team. He is another reason that Omar must be fired.
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Why is it that despite how much this piece of **** sucks and how many strikes he looks at he is firmly entrenched in the clean up spot? I don't think I have ever seen a worse cleanup hitter. I don't care if they bat Easley fourth, they need to send a message to the Puerto Rican Bobby Bonilla that his shitty play will not be tolerated for another minute.
Bobby Bonilla was the Puerto Rican Bobby Bonilla, but I get your point.
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As as Rays fan, and an unbiased observer, I would agree. He does not have the killer instinct to be batting 4th. Your Mets need to get a cleanup hitter in the worst way, moving beltran back to his MVP-season 3 spot, and putting Wright 5th. It really lengthens the lineup well.
Beltran should be dumped on another unfortunate franchise for a couple of prospects ASAP. Until then, he should bat 2nd.
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Beltran cleans up any rallies the Mets may have going.
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Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Church
Easley
Delgado
Castro
Chavez
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Reyes
Beltran
Wright
Church
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Delgado
Castro
Chavez
Pitcher
No way... after some clever Omar trades, it should be.

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Dontrelle Willis
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Val Pascucci
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ehh, Id rather Delgado in at 5 if no Alou, with Alou he can bat 6. Rest of the lineup is what ive been screaming since day on of this season.
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Why is it that despite how much this piece of **** sucks and how many strikes he looks at he is firmly entrenched in the clean up spot? I don't think I have ever seen a worse cleanup hitter. I don't care if they bat Easley fourth, they need to send a message to the Puerto Rican Bobby Bonilla that his shitty play will not be tolerated for another minute.
Let's see here. Is he the worst cleanup hitter? We're talking about a guy who hit 33 homers and drove in 112 runs last year and hit 41 homers( equaling a Met record) with 116 RBI the year before, right? We're talking about a guy who will probably drive in 100 and, after a slow start, still could hit 30 homers this year, right? We're talking about a guy who has 8 homers in the last month, right? We're talking about a guy who has driven in 100 runs in every full season that he has played but one, right?

Look, I'm not happy at all with his taking strike three syndrome but don't even compare him Bonilla. Bonilla did absolutely nothing with the Mets. Beltran has been an MVP candidate and a two time gold glover.

BTW, since Bonilla is Puerto Rican, wouldn't he be the Puerto Rican Bobby Bonilla?
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I think the easiest fix, and the one that makes the most sense to me, is to just swap Beltran and Wright. Beltran gets a little more protection in the line-up, can be more of a table setter then he is in the 4th spot, and Wright's good enough to hit without the big bat behind him.
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I think the easiest fix, and the one that makes the most sense to me, is to just swap Beltran and Wright. Beltran gets a little more protection in the line-up, can be more of a table setter then he is in the 4th spot, and Wright's good enough to hit without the big bat behind him.
Not a bad idea. However, based on their respective histories, Wright has the higher average which is conducive to hitting third while Beltran has had better home run numbers which makes him more of a clean up hitter.

But as you said, Wright doesn't need the bat behind him. But let's not forget that Church is back to give some more protection to Beltran so he won't be able to use that excuse for long.
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Let's see here. Is he the worst cleanup hitter? We're talking about a guy who hit 33 homers and drove in 112 runs last year and hit 41 homers( equaling a Met record) with 116 RBI the year before, right? We're talking about a guy who will probably drive in 100 and, after a slow start, still could hit 30 homers this year, right? We're talking about a guy who has 8 homers in the last month, right? We're talking about a guy who has driven in 100 runs in every full season that he has played but one, right?

Look, I'm not happy at all with his taking strike three syndrome but don't even compare him Bonilla. Bonilla did absolutely nothing with the Mets. Beltran has been an MVP candidate and a two time gold glover.

BTW, since Bonilla is Puerto Rican, wouldn't he be the Puerto Rican Bobby Bonilla?
It is called hyperbole. Yes, I know he literally isn't the worst cleanup hitter in the history of the game but he is not getting the job done. I don't care that he was good last year (During which by the way he had more ABs as the third hitter than the cleanup spot), this year he sucks and maybe they need to do something to shake it up a bit. He is on pace for 23 HRs and 106 RBIs, so while it is possible that he "may" hit 30 it is more likely that he won't and there is a good possibility that he may not reach 100 RBIs. That is just unacceptable for a guy in the cleanup spot especially when you have Reyes, who doesn't have a great OBP but is having a good year, and Wright hitting in front of him.
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