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Old 06-20-2008, 12:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Dunn seemed like a possible good option to me for LF next year. That is, until I read this.

ESPN - Ricciardi apologizes for comments made about Dunn on radio show - MLB

Despite the inappropriateness of the way Riccardi outed the guy, I'm sure that he did not just make it up for the fun of it.

Typical Mets luck, the guy fits for us statistically, but at the same time his attitude is indicative of the problems we are having.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:05 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Typical Mets luck, the guy fits for us statistically, but at the same time his attitude is indicative of the problems we are having.
Except for him being the white Delgado, which on this board is probably more acceptable than the "I hate Kate Smith" Delgado. How does he fit the Mets?? The guy sucks.
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At least we didn't get him. Maybe Riccardi was trying to lower his trade value. Only thing I ever heard about Dunn was him refusing to play first base.

Hey Mex, what do you think of Silva fighting on fight night on short notice and also fighting at 205? That's crazy! It's not even a title fight.
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Old 06-20-2008, 01:12 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Typical Mets luck, the guy fits for us statistically, but at the same time his attitude is indicative of the problems we are having.
A true "bad break" would be signing him before finding this out.

Besides, take one look at that body and tell me it's going to hold up over six or seven years in LF.

As I said yesterday, I'd love to see the Mets go after Burrell. He makes sense on a lot of levels, even if you throw out the monster walk year he's having.

- Is used to a bitter, bitter fanbase and ravenous media
- Kills lefties and isn't terrible against righties
- Would take him away from the Phillies
- Probably wouldn't have to commit to a billion year contract
- Has been relatively durable/reliable

One of Minaya's problems seems to be surrounding top-shelf talent (Santana, Wright, Reyes, etc.) with ancient, injured dogshit. I appreciate his apprehension when it comes to committing dollars and years to good talent that's just barely on the wrong side of 30... but the Mets have the money, and at some point (hopefully this offseason) they should overpay to bring in the solid talent that's reliably good and maybe a little older (instead of hit-or-miss and ancient), even if it's not a long-term solution.
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Well, tied for first place in the NL East with the Phillies at 52-44. But with a 10-game winning streak, and with the way the Mets rallied for a 10-8 win over the Reds last night, it seems like only a matter of time before the Mets leave the rest of the division in the rearview mirror.
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Last edited by mets84 : 06-20-2008 at 01:18 PM. Reason: Looked it up, and the Mets actually do better against LHP... but I'd still rather have Burrell than Dunn
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At least we didn't get him. Maybe Riccardi was trying to lower his trade value. Only thing I ever heard about Dunn was him refusing to play first base.

Hey Mex, what do you think of Silva fighting on fight night on short notice and also fighting at 205? That's crazy! It's not even a title fight.
Is that announced already?? I thought that it was Vera dropping to 205 though? Silva did not "fight" last time as much as he did PUMMEL "Glass Jaw" Jardine!!!
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Is that announced already?? I thought that it was Vera dropping to 205 though? Silva did not "fight" last time as much as he did PUMMEL "Glass Jaw" Jardine!!!
yeah saw it on Espn,cnn and ufc have it posted on their sites. Silva vs. Irvin at 205 at the jul 19th fight night. Should be good.
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I'm sorry, I actually did hear rumors about a Wanderliei vs. Brandon Vera fight at 205 on the same night as Affilction "Banned", so I assumed you were talking about the other Silva.
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I'll bet that Silva is fighting at 205 because he does not feel that he can cut weight that fast.
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Ricciardi didn't say anything that wasn't true.
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Except for him being the white Delgado, which on this board is probably more acceptable than the "I hate Kate Smith" Delgado. How does he fit the Mets?? The guy sucks.
With Delgado you have a guy who had perennially hit close to .280 with his HRs and RBIs (before becoming a Met, of course). Dunn is Dave Kingman -- low average, high power, tons of strikeouts. He's a lifetime .247 hitter. Check out his 2004 season -- 46 HRs but 195 Ks!!!

Like Kingman, there's nowhere really to hide him on the field. DH is his best role, but if he's in the NL then he should be at 1B, not out in LF. Since Dunn has declared he doesn't want to play 1B then the Mets shouldn't consider him. Beltran would die from either exhaustion chasing everything Dunn missed or in a head on collision with that behemoth.
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I'll give you the fact that Dunn does not hit for average. However, he is not exactly like Dave Kingman because Adam Dunn possesses a career .381 OBP through last season, and is currently sitting at .386 so far this season. He always hits a ton of homers and drives in a bunch of runs. It seems to me like he makes damn good use of the hits he does get.
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He's productive, but I don't want to see him lumbering around LF for the Mets. If he'd agree to play 1B, then he could be a much-needed power replacement for Delgado. Until I see evidence of Ricciardi's alleged "disinterest in baseball" I'll keep an open mind.
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A true "bad break" would be signing him before finding this out.

Besides, take one look at that body and tell me it's going to hold up over six or seven years in LF.

As I said yesterday, I'd love to see the Mets go after Burrell. He makes sense on a lot of levels, even if you throw out the monster walk year he's having.
I know he hasnt hit a ton there this year, but Burrell is a product of that Philly lineup and that ballpark. He's a lifetime .250 hitter, has only driven in 100+ twice, and strikes out 150 times a year. He's a terrible defensive player and he's 32. I know he's having a great year this year (and had a solid one last year) hitting with Rollins, Utley, and Howard in front of him, but IMO you put him on the Mets and he goes right back to being the .250, unclutch, boo magnet he had been in Philly most of his career.
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Burrell is a tough one. While I think he's the type of hitter this team needs (RH, power guy, good OB%) I'd only be interested in a max 3 year deal for reasonable money (9-10 mil per year area) sine he does have his flaws.
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I know he hasnt hit a ton there this year, but Burrell is a product of that Philly lineup and that ballpark. He's a lifetime .250 hitter, has only driven in 100+ twice, and strikes out 150 times a year.
Hat, he's had one season in his career with an OPS+ below 100, and his career numbers away from Philly are nearly identical to the ones he's put up in Philly.

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I think this comment underscores one of this team's philosophical problems - they focus too much on what a guy can't do. How many young, cheap and above all useful players have the Mets jettisoned, justifying it after the fact by whispering about their shortcomings? How many useful older parts have they taken a pass on because they're not long-term solutions, opting instead for lesser commitments to the truly aged and the truly terrible?

If this team is going to go anywhere, they're going to have to start paying for middle-shelf talent - guys with warts who still bring something to the table. Otherwise we're going to keep ending up with guys who simply can't do anything at all.
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