Here's why I question your article, Heals:

Hojo of 1991 · 06-20-2008, 08:08 AM

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Back in 2004, or the last time the Mets' front office was in this much turmoil, one guy (with some help from another guy) was the divisive force that created so much havoc that super-prospect Scott Kazmir was traded for a injury-prone, arbitration-eligible (and serious non-tender candidate) right-hander, Victor Zambrano. That guy's name was Al Goldis, and his partner in crime was Bill Livesey. Yeah, those guys. “The Super Scouts”. These two geniuses helped destroy a blossoming farm system, an exceptional scouting department, and got an undeserving GM fired. They also helped turn a fan base against Jeff Wilpon.

Sound familiar?

Later that year, after the white-hot venom of the Mets' fan base had erupted for several months, the Mets decided that Omar Minaya would fix all of the Mets' problems, repair the front office, and circle the wagons. At first, he did. Then he made the mistake of hiring Tony Bernazard as his assistant.

Unlike Goldis, whose agenda to usurp any influence that newly-minted GM Jim Duquette (after spending half a year as the interim GM after Steve Phillips was fired) began the day he was hired, it took Bernazard a year before he got himself promoted to VP of Player Development, despite having not a shred of scouting, coaching or front office experience. That's quite a trick. But hey, his resume clearly indicated his fine work on the World Baseball Classic.

He never wanted to undermine his good friend Omar Minaya, but his actions and behavior have had the same result. Even better, like Goldis, he has – for the most part -- put enough of his cronies in place so that any criticism – or corroboration – is virtually non-existent.

Now, I'm not arguing that the Met front office is a mess with this Tony B saga, but if you continue to read, Mark goes on to explain how the Wilpons had little to do with the deal in 2004, and little to do with Willie now. That's all fine and good, but he also states they should then get little of the blame. That's where I disagree. The fact that they let this type of atmosphere grow and fester twice now, shows there is a serious and inherent problem with their approach. Even if Jeff isn't the leak, why aren't the Wilpons in an uproar to find them? After all the PR blunders this team has had, why are Howard and Horowitz still here? This team has done this sort of stuff cyclically, and the GMs and Scouts are definitely not the constants in that equation. They need to realize that before it ever changes...

NeilAllen · 06-20-2008, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Hojo of 1991

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Now, I'm not arguing that the Met front office is a mess with this Tony B saga, but if you continue to read, Mark goes on to explain how the Wilpons had little to do with the deal in 2004, and little to do with Willie now. That's all fine and good, but he also states they should then get little of the blame. That's where I disagree. The fact that they let this type of atmosphere grow and fester twice now, shows there is a serious and inherent problem with their approach. Even if Jeff isn't the leak, why aren't the Wilpons in an uproar to find them? After all the PR blunders this team has had, why are Howard and Horowitz still here? This team has done this sort of stuff cyclically, and the GMs and Scouts are definitely not the constants in that equation. They need to realize that before it ever changes...

Other than that minor quibble you've got to admit that Heals is at his absolute BEST when the Mets front office is in complete chaos.

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-20-2008, 11:04 AM

Great piece by Heals.

More truth that this organization simply cannot get out of its own way.

Hojo of 1991 · 06-20-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by NeilAllen

Other than that minor quibble you've got to admit that Heals is at his absolute BEST when the Mets front office is in complete chaos.

Oh, definitely... especially because he keeps his whining about Laroque to a minimum.

metman · 06-20-2008, 11:25 AM

On my board, when posted, I read it as it's less to do with Jeff Wilpon and even he admits the Wilpon's don't like him as he's been critical on them. Fred has to take blame, since he wanted to make trades for the 'meaningful games in september'...but guys like Goldis/Bevasi were the main catalyst and wanted to purge the other regime's prospects and, yes, I did hear about that idea before it took place.

Heals did a great job on this one.

Hojo of 1991 · 06-20-2008, 06:06 PM

Oh.... I feel so dirty. McGann basically said the same thing I did.

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Originally Posted by Mike McGann

I don't completely agree with either the premise or the reporting of the cited column.

As Adam Rubin reported today, Bernazard is tight with Jeff Wilpon and has emerged as a candidate to replace Omar Minaya. As COO of the organization, Jeff Wilpon is directly responsible for everything that has taken place over the last couple of years. Period. He's running the show — and letting him off the hook and dumping all of the blame on Bernazard is uninformed, and frankly screams of the writer in question donning the knee pads.

One must look at the patterns in the Mets' front office, the history. Whether it was Steve Phillips undermining Bobby Valentine, the Al Goldis fiasco or the current new round of internal warfare and leaks (and I agree that the leaker is not Jeff Wilpon), this pattern forces any rational thinking person to see beyond buying into the "villian of the month" and see that at the end of the day, all of this chaos falls in the lap of the Wilpons...and while Jeff is fairly bright and made some good moves, he's also shown some failings as a manager in the corporate sense.

While I refuse to kill the guy for being "the owner's idiot son" as he's been wrongly described in some media quarters, because he is a bright guy who grew up in baseball and certainly deserves to be working in he game, I'm not willing to fellate him and suggest that he's an innocent victim, either.

NYRomy · 06-21-2008, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hojo of 1991

Oh.... I feel so dirty. McGann basically said the same thing I did.

So does that mean you are wrong? I mean, if I said something and McGann went the ditto route I'd start to rethink my stance.

Hojo of 1991 · 06-21-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NYRomy

So does that mean you are wrong? I mean, if I said something and McGann went the ditto route I'd start to rethink my stance.

Ehhh... even SC and I have agreed before.

NeilAllen · 06-21-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hojo of 1991

Oh.... I feel so dirty. McGann basically said the same thing I did.

Seriously? This is embarrassing.

Joe McDonald · 06-22-2008, 12:47 AM

Come on, Mark can write the Pope is catholic and a bear deficates in the woods and McGann will disagree with him.

Remember this is the guy who said I caused Gotham to shut down because I was jealous of him. And then tried to kill himself when Mark kicked his ass to the curb.

This is also the failed politician who lost two elections - at least that I know of. And claimed he covered the 1986 Mets. Well, I checked the old video tape and there was no McGann in the clubhouse when they won and unless he was really a lot thinner back then, it wouldn't be hard to miss him.

Oh and btw when he brags about being around for 25 years, how many magazine mastheads does his name currently appear on [0] and how many does mine in an editorial position [2 - NY Sportscene and Mets Inside Pitch], both of which deal with the Mets, the very same place he has to buy a ticket to get into.

[Sorry I had to get this off my chest, being built up for a few years. And if causes a board war, well so be it. I am confident, you guys can take care of Bill, Mackinade, *62 and Mr. 25 Years.]

NYRomy · 06-22-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hojo of 1991

Ehhh... even SC and I have agreed before.

Yeah, but SC isn't a blathering idiot.

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-22-2008, 01:07 AM

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I am confident, you guys can take care of Bill, Mackinade, *62 and Mr. 25 Years.

There is a lot of super fandom and brain power in that group....

NYRomy · 06-22-2008, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Dave

There is a lot of super fandom and brain power in that group....

And let's not forget Mack's mob connections. I don't want to get offed for questioning his fandom and writing ability. Not again.

Joe McDonald · 06-22-2008, 01:10 AM

Maybe *62 will come back so I can ban him again. It never grows old.

BTW I still own the macksmets.com domain if anyone wants it, I will be more than glad to transfer it to someone.

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-22-2008, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by NYRomy

And let's not forget Mack's mob connections. I don't want to get offed for questioning his fandom and writing ability. Not again.

LMAO. That was classic sh!t.

06-20-2008, 11:25 AM	#5 (permalink)
metman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,608	On my board, when posted, I read it as it's less to do with Jeff Wilpon and even he admits the Wilpon's don't like him as he's been critical on them. Fred has to take blame, since he wanted to make trades for the 'meaningful games in september'...but guys like Goldis/Bevasi were the main catalyst and wanted to purge the other regime's prospects and, yes, I did hear about that idea before it took place. Heals did a great job on this one. __________________ SHUT Your FESTERING GOB...You TIT!

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06-20-2008, 11:04 AM	#3 (permalink)
Bay Ridge Dave Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Day-o, Day-ay-ay-o Posts: 12,454	Great piece by Heals. More truth that this organization simply cannot get out of its own way.

06-22-2008, 12:47 AM	#10 (permalink)
Joe McDonald Administrator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,233	Come on, Mark can write the Pope is catholic and a bear deficates in the woods and McGann will disagree with him. Remember this is the guy who said I caused Gotham to shut down because I was jealous of him. And then tried to kill himself when Mark kicked his ass to the curb. This is also the failed politician who lost two elections - at least that I know of. And claimed he covered the 1986 Mets. Well, I checked the old video tape and there was no McGann in the clubhouse when they won and unless he was really a lot thinner back then, it wouldn't be hard to miss him. Oh and btw when he brags about being around for 25 years, how many magazine mastheads does his name currently appear on [0] and how many does mine in an editorial position [2 - NY Sportscene and Mets Inside Pitch], both of which deal with the Mets, the very same place he has to buy a ticket to get into. [Sorry I had to get this off my chest, being built up for a few years. And if causes a board war, well so be it. I am confident, you guys can take care of Bill, Mackinade, *62 and Mr. 25 Years.]

06-22-2008, 01:10 AM	#14 (permalink)
Joe McDonald Administrator Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,233	Maybe *62 will come back so I can ban him again. It never grows old. BTW I still own the macksmets.com domain if anyone wants it, I will be more than glad to transfer it to someone.

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