Deepleft34

I feel that this organization has just jumped back to the days of Jim Duquette and Art howe. All the good will that came with Willie and omar's arrival has now faded away and this organization has been left in a cloud darker then the one that preceeded it. Here are just a couple of ranting:

1) What free Agent in their right mind would CHOOSE to sign here? If I were a free agent, I would most certainly use the Mets to up my bargaining position, but I would not sign here unless it was for absurdly more money than anyone else. Watching this front office run around like the Keystone Cops over the past couple of months...in the public eye...has tainted the organization teribly...and know one knows this more than the players and agents. Look at how the stock of players like Reyes, Delgado, Beltran and even Wright has fallen. Would you want to be a part of that? Further more, with all of this dirty laundry being public, there is no escaping it until, ultimately this team is sold. I harken back to Tom Glavine who tried to reneg on his deal with the Mets hours after he signed it...it is going to be more of that in the future.

2. The Mets have shown themselves to be a racist organization. There is no suger coating it. Omar Minaya has been permitted to run rough shot through the org chart and the "sparing" of Sandy Alomar has got to be the biggest joke this side of Julio Franco. What non-Hispanic player, coach, Manager, front office employee woul dare seek employment with this team right now? You have alienated any player who has a brain, and additionally, even the dumb non-hispanic players won't come here...limiting your potential talent pool even further. And that talent pool DOES include people in the front office, who are behind the scenes, but definately dictate the pace and intensity of the organization. That means more Tony B clones.

3. As if the media needed another reason to bash the Mets, this makes it worse. It also goes to further the damage of point 1 & 2...but also to torture the suffering Met faithful.

4. The current group. Usually a shake up like this is meant to kick start a team and get them out of a funk. While the Mets cannot be mistaken for a team that has been playing quality baseball, they also have a little string going. I fear this may kick STOP this team into abysmal failure.

5. The replacments -Obie and crew, are now clearly on the opposite end of Manuel and Alomar. It is old regime vs. new regime. Why not just draw a friggin line down the clubhouse?!? They either should have gotten rid of all, or brought people in from the outside. If there wasn't turmoil in the clubhouse before...bank on it now. If I am Billy Wagner, David Wright, or any other non hispanic on this team...I am getting close to the new regime...and fast.

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Medfordian Slip

Hey DL, I agree with almost everything you wrote. Good post.

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NickPapagiorgio

I am not too worried about it. Free Agents will go anywhere the money is. If you think otherwise you are deluding yourself. I will agree with the racist thing to a point but again players will go where the money is.

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Hojo of 1991

It's roughshod, by the way

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ultramet

Absolutely. Money overshadows any issues related to race. I think that what happen with Willie is a disgrace but to imply that this organization is doomed for years to come is a bit much.

If we start to win again, which is very possible with a new manager and guys like Beltran and Reyes coming around.. Then, these "feelings of doom and gloom" about the Mets organization will quickly disappear.

Fonzy13

He's trying to hone his vocabulary, leave him alone.

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MrHat

4 & 5 I think are legit concerns. Not saying the other points dont have some truth, but money, New York, and eventualy wins end all of that.

However if this team is actually able to rip off 8 of 10 or something like that I would be amazed...if anything firing of Randolph has vindicated some of the problems on this club. Does anyone think Manual would dare bench Delgado or throw Tony B out of the clubhouse after what Willie just went thru?

And #5 might be the biggest point here. Oberkfell may come in here as the 1B coach, but his is auditioning for a managers spot for next year vs. the guy currently in charge. It'll be interesting to see if the other coaches on the team start jumping to one side or another....Ken already has ties to the pitching coach and hitting coach....Manual linked into the bench and 3B coach.... It could get very ugly.

Masters of Superiority

I thought this at first too, but really, it's still mid-June. There's plenty of time for all this to die down, especially if the team starts winning a little bit again.

The team's on-field record will have a lot more to do with who signs where than anything else, IMO.

The REAL problem will be that Omar's "veterans/free agent" bunglings have been so clearly the cause of this team's erosion, that even if the RIGHT free agents come around (say, a Teixeira) the Wilpons will have to think twice and or/play cheap with any suggestions Omar makes from here on out, because really, can you trust the guy from this point forward?

That's why I think he needs to go on October 2nd, no matter what record the Mets end up at.

A fresh start is needed by all. New approach. New hope, hopefully.

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Gregory Gewirtz

Exactly. Floyd and Glavine took the Mets money years ago when the team wasn't going anywhere and Pedro and Beltran took the money after the 2004 hijinks.

The Sandy Alomar retention doesn't bother me. He's an iffy third base coach, but he's generally a harmless part of the team and it's entirely possible that Jerry Manuel wanted him around.

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I'm wondering if Manuel figures he's a lameduck manager anyway, so he might as well come into this position and start making radical changes like benching non-performers, yanking non-hustlers, etc, just to stir things up. He really has nothing to lose if he truly believes he's out at the end of the year anyway.

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Deepleft34

Floyd and Glavine???

Were either of them highly pursued and/or top notch? An injury prone LF and an aging LH pitcher does not mean the Mets were dazzling the FA market. Additionally they had to overpay for both.

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Masters of Superiority

Good point. That in ITSELF could be a breath of fresh air.

Charlie Manual benched Rollins... it would be nice to see ANY Met benched who didn't hustle. And he'd have a case almost every night to work with...

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Masters of Superiority

Glavine was coming off of a 15-win season, and they paid him the most, so he came here. That was NP's point.

Cliff Floyd wanted to come here, so it really wasn't about money. He supposedly just told his agent that he wanted to come to the Mets, and that he should "just get it done."

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MetfanBren

I guess this ruins any chance the Mets had at Sabathia, because he is African American, and clearly this is a race thing...

Deepleft34

I know they paid Glavine the most...and then he called the Braves one last time and begged to come back. He regretting every moment he spent here in NY and his example is a bad one because everyone in Baseball knew that Glavine thought he had made the wrong decision by choosing the Mets.

Floyd WANTED to come here, so once again Free Agents have to WANT to come to NY to play...and this craziness is going to help that.

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