Pelfrey's Statement On Peterson's Firing

metman · 06-17-2008, 01:29 PM

"“Rick and I have a good relationship,” Pelfrey said before the firings. “It’s unfortunate that it’s come to this. I think there would be a lot of guys that would be upset"

This is part of a statement that goes on to mention that it's a business etc etc.

It had me wondering; do the pitchers REALLY want to see him go? Is this, at this time, really the right move? Do we BENEFIT from a new pitching coach?

Sure, Peterson might not be what we wanted or maybe he was. He isn't perfect and maybe there are 1/2 better than him. But while a hitting coach CAN be over-rated, having a guy who has a relationship with young pitchers who have shown some progress isn't something to entirely ignore.

In short, I am curious to see how/if this impacts performance and if this new coach is just a turd monkey holding the line or if he brings anything to the table. I am usually more hesitant to support THIS kind of move (as oppossed to lesser role coaches) unless you clearly upgrade. This doesn't mean he should not ever be let go. It's not about IF he should/shouldn't go. It's a matter of whether or not it's the right time and if it SOLVES a problem. Pitching is key and I am not sure if this was the best decision now.

What do you think?

freakzilla11 · 06-17-2008, 01:34 PM

Peterson has done enough to warrant firing IMO.

Pelfrey is a 95 MPH contact pitcher.
Heilman's arm angle was changed and then changed again.

swataz · 06-17-2008, 01:37 PM

Hey, maybe Heilman will get to start now....

Original Met · 06-17-2008, 01:39 PM

I really wonder about this, too. Is Peterson the guy who straightened out Maine, Perez and Pelfrey, or the guy who could never get through to Heilman and oversaw the total collapse of his bullpen last Sept. and the last couple of weeks? I think we don't really know. Perhaps he was a guy with a shelf life.

But I agree that this move is hard to justify given that they are not clearly upgrading, and that management made enough of a statement about the need to change things by firing the manager (unlike in 1999, when the statement was made by firing coaches).

Medfordian Slip · 06-17-2008, 01:43 PM

I wonder how Peterschlong would have functioned without WIllie here. Who was more in charge of horrendously managing the pen during games? Was Willie's cluelessness the deciding factor or did they make decisions based on both inputs?

Sports Doctor · 06-17-2008, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Original Met

I really wonder about this, too. Is Peterson the guy who straightened out Maine, Perez and Pelfrey, or the guy who could never get through to Heilman and oversaw the total collapse of his bullpen last Sept. and the last couple of weeks? I think we don't really know. Perhaps he was a guy with a shelf life.

But I agree that this move is hard to justify given that they are not clearly upgrading, and that management made enough of a statement about the need to change things by firing the manager (unlike in 1999, when the statement was made by firing coaches).

Peterson was probably making too much they figured perfect time to send him packing

ColinHay · 06-17-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Sports Doctor

Peterson was probably making too much they figured perfect time to send him packing

He still gets paid, Einstein.

uphill struggle · 06-17-2008, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Original Met

I really wonder about this, too. Is Peterson the guy who straightened out Maine, Perez and Pelfrey, or the guy who could never get through to Heilman and oversaw the total collapse of his bullpen last Sept. and the last couple of weeks? I think we don't really know. Perhaps he was a guy with a shelf life.

But I agree that this move is hard to justify given that they are not clearly upgrading, and that management made enough of a statement about the need to change things by firing the manager (unlike in 1999, when the statement was made by firing coaches).

why cant he be both? why cant there be guys he works magic on and guys that just dont get his style?

and there could be guys like hudson who are just that good no matter who the PC is, or guys like zito who will apparently blow without him.

MrHat · 06-17-2008, 07:51 PM

Dont forget Pelfrey's improvement of late hasnt come until he started going BACK to his 4 seam fastball UP in the zone...something that Peterson had him largely give up after his first year here, instead wanting him to use the 2 seamer and ditch his curve for a slider. Now Rick has pushed him back towards that, but it took 2 damn years to bring that up.

Overall Peterson has done a decent job - I mean I really dont think Perez has the season he had without him - but where's the other help been? No arms have emerged from the pen in terms of young players. Smith hasnt been much. Kunz and all the other pen arms Omar has drafted have sucked. Plus if you believe the rumors that have been going around since 2005, Peterson had more of a say with the bullpen use than Randolph....

Maine has been a surprise in the rotation in general, but lets face it, he's a bit of an anti-Peterson style. Maine works up in the zone and tries to pitch to strikeouts. Peterson isnt doing much with guys like Pedro, Johan, etc. Humber didnt get to show much, but it wasnt like he was tearing up the minors either.

I'm not anti-Peterson, as I said in the other thread, I dont think he'll have a problem finding a job, but I also dont think he was some kind of magic glue holding this rotation together. If he worked any real magic while he was here, it was down the stretch in 2006....and like everything else with this club that seems like a decade ago

06-17-2008, 01:29 PM	#1 (permalink)
metman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,610	Pelfrey's Statement On Peterson's Firing "“Rick and I have a good relationship,” Pelfrey said before the firings. “It’s unfortunate that it’s come to this. I think there would be a lot of guys that would be upset" This is part of a statement that goes on to mention that it's a business etc etc. It had me wondering; do the pitchers REALLY want to see him go? Is this, at this time, really the right move? Do we BENEFIT from a new pitching coach? Sure, Peterson might not be what we wanted or maybe he was. He isn't perfect and maybe there are 1/2 better than him. But while a hitting coach CAN be over-rated, having a guy who has a relationship with young pitchers who have shown some progress isn't something to entirely ignore. In short, I am curious to see how/if this impacts performance and if this new coach is just a turd monkey holding the line or if he brings anything to the table. I am usually more hesitant to support THIS kind of move (as oppossed to lesser role coaches) unless you clearly upgrade. This doesn't mean he should not ever be let go. It's not about IF he should/shouldn't go. It's a matter of whether or not it's the right time and if it SOLVES a problem. Pitching is key and I am not sure if this was the best decision now. What do you think? __________________ SHUT Your FESTERING GOB...You TIT!

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Medfordian Slip Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Omar - please get a real bullpen and an outfielder Posts: 1,745	I wonder how Peterschlong would have functioned without WIllie here. Who was more in charge of horrendously managing the pen during games? Was Willie's cluelessness the deciding factor or did they make decisions based on both inputs? __________________ Cramped, dirty, smelly...Yankee Stadium is every bit the dump Shea Stadium is, only with less room to move around. Good riddance to the House Steinbrenner rebuilt. Busyman

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06-17-2008, 01:39 PM	#4 (permalink)
Original Met Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 13	I really wonder about this, too. Is Peterson the guy who straightened out Maine, Perez and Pelfrey, or the guy who could never get through to Heilman and oversaw the total collapse of his bullpen last Sept. and the last couple of weeks? I think we don't really know. Perhaps he was a guy with a shelf life. But I agree that this move is hard to justify given that they are not clearly upgrading, and that management made enough of a statement about the need to change things by firing the manager (unlike in 1999, when the statement was made by firing coaches).

06-17-2008, 07:51 PM	#9 (permalink)
MrHat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,785	Dont forget Pelfrey's improvement of late hasnt come until he started going BACK to his 4 seam fastball UP in the zone...something that Peterson had him largely give up after his first year here, instead wanting him to use the 2 seamer and ditch his curve for a slider. Now Rick has pushed him back towards that, but it took 2 damn years to bring that up. Overall Peterson has done a decent job - I mean I really dont think Perez has the season he had without him - but where's the other help been? No arms have emerged from the pen in terms of young players. Smith hasnt been much. Kunz and all the other pen arms Omar has drafted have sucked. Plus if you believe the rumors that have been going around since 2005, Peterson had more of a say with the bullpen use than Randolph.... Maine has been a surprise in the rotation in general, but lets face it, he's a bit of an anti-Peterson style. Maine works up in the zone and tries to pitch to strikeouts. Peterson isnt doing much with guys like Pedro, Johan, etc. Humber didnt get to show much, but it wasnt like he was tearing up the minors either. I'm not anti-Peterson, as I said in the other thread, I dont think he'll have a problem finding a job, but I also dont think he was some kind of magic glue holding this rotation together. If he worked any real magic while he was here, it was down the stretch in 2006....and like everything else with this club that seems like a decade ago

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