Season on the line who is your closer?

NickPapagiorgio · 06-12-2008, 06:33 PM

I think I honestly would choose Benitez.

wmays600 · 06-12-2008, 06:35 PM

Does it matter they both suck in big games!!!!

FrankStylV7 · 06-12-2008, 06:37 PM

My Nana TStyl.

At least when SHE tosses a meatball it's extra savory.

Busyman · 06-12-2008, 06:48 PM

God, the Mets have had some awful closers.

The only closer I ever felt comfortable with was Randy Myers. And that was 20 years ago!!!!

Too bad Davey wasn't...

A$$hole from El Paso · 06-12-2008, 07:08 PM

We have had our share of "Cardiac Kids" in Neil Allen, John Franco, Braden Looper, Armando Benitez, and now Billy Wagner.

Skip Lockwood turned in a few credible years for awful teams. Bob Apodaca was solid during those "bullpen by committee" years, too.

I'd second Randy Myers as the most intimidating and reliable.

SI Metman · 06-12-2008, 07:09 PM

I remember clearly saying when the Mets signed Wags that he was a White Benitez. Looks like I was proven right.

LZATbassist1567 · 06-12-2008, 07:12 PM

Jeez he's blown 5 saves in each of the last two years while saving 40 and 34 respectively. This year he has a 2.33 era with 13 saves and 4 blown saves - 3 of which have come recently. It's a rough stretch but he is not a terrible closer.

A$$hole from El Paso · 06-12-2008, 07:39 PM

Quote:

I remember clearly saying when the Mets signed Wags that he was a White Benitez. Looks like I was proven right.

I think he'd have to gain at least 60 pounds first.

Mr. Met · 06-12-2008, 07:55 PM

Nobody on this team... thats for sure.

Fonzy13 · 06-12-2008, 08:06 PM

Three bad games in a week and he's as bad as Benitez?

Let's no go losing perspective people. This team is not nearly as good as the teams Benitez ruined.

Gregory Gewirtz · 06-12-2008, 08:24 PM

Outside of Mariano Rivera and Jon Papelbon, how many closers are there over the last decade who have had a good enough multi-year stretch of success, complete with "clutch" showings, that you'd want them closing for you in a big spot? Joe Nathan and Francisco Rodriguez are probably in the mix, IMO. Billy Wagner's still probably the best of the next tier of basically solid closers who have had their share of awful stretches, sometimes when it mattered.

I'm not trying to excuse Wagner, but I don't think iffy closers are a Mets-specific problem.

lgm6986 · 06-12-2008, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregory Gewirtz

Outside of Mariano Rivera and Jon Papelbon, how many closers are there over the last decade who have had a good enough multi-year stretch of success, complete with "clutch" showings, that you'd want them closing for you in a big spot? Joe Nathan and Francisco Rodriguez are probably in the mix, IMO. Billy Wagner's still probably the best of the next tier of basically solid closers who have had their share of awful stretches, sometimes when it mattered.

I'm not trying to excuse Wagner, but I don't think iffy closers are a Mets-specific problem.

I couldn't agree more.

No.1 · 06-12-2008, 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregory Gewirtz

Outside of Mariano Rivera and Jon Papelbon, how many closers are there over the last decade who have had a good enough multi-year stretch of success, complete with "clutch" showings, that you'd want them closing for you in a big spot? Joe Nathan and Francisco Rodriguez are probably in the mix, IMO. Billy Wagner's still probably the best of the next tier of basically solid closers who have had their share of awful stretches, sometimes when it mattered.

I'm not trying to excuse Wagner, but I don't think iffy closers are a Mets-specific problem.

TESTIFY!!!!

Led, the Revenge · 06-12-2008, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregory Gewirtz

Outside of Mariano Rivera and Jon Papelbon, how many closers are there over the last decade who have had a good enough multi-year stretch of success, complete with "clutch" showings, that you'd want them closing for you in a big spot? Joe Nathan and Francisco Rodriguez are probably in the mix, IMO. Billy Wagner's still probably the best of the next tier of basically solid closers who have had their share of awful stretches, sometimes when it mattered.

I'm not trying to excuse Wagner, but I don't think iffy closers are a Mets-specific problem.

DING, we have a winner. Not only that, as awesome as Papelbon is, he's not had the career to be put in Mariano's level. Hell, I don't know if there will EVER be a closer to match him again, career wise (yes, I am glossing over the elite closers of the past, as it's now a different kettle of fish). And Papelbon still hasn't had a career long enough to say he'd be as reliable as signing Wagner, as there have been plenty of closers dominate for a few years and fall into "human" levels of the Wagners of the world or lower.

Wagner is still among the best, and considering this season was effectively lost a long time ago, calling these games "big" is laughable.

Sports Doctor · 06-12-2008, 09:44 PM

Wagner may be a choke but whoever voted Benitez smokes too much ganja to remember that era

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LZATbassist1567 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,112	Jeez he's blown 5 saves in each of the last two years while saving 40 and 34 respectively. This year he has a 2.33 era with 13 saves and 4 blown saves - 3 of which have come recently. It's a rough stretch but he is not a terrible closer.

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