06-10-2008, 11:58 AM
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|  WA thought... Hire Buck Showalter to fill both the GM/MGR seats, ala Herzog in STL or McKeon in SD back in the day. Whatcha think?
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06-10-2008, 12:07 PM
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| And your objection is...?
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| Being a coach and GM almost never works. Why would it now?
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Because they have neither now? Instead of having to fire TWO guys (both minorities, BTW) down the road, the WIlpons will only have to fire one White guy.
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| It has worked -- see the 2 examples I cited. I just think Showalter is one of the most intelligent baseball men around, he's well-known as a control freak, he's not afraid to kick some ass when he needs to and as both MGR & GM, one would think he'd have a good relationship with himself.
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| I wish we could steal the GM of the Tigers with a clause that states "NEVER replicate the Sheffield trade EVER again" He'd get the wilpons to go over slot (He has mafia connections) and he knows how to spot killer power arms. Sadly, they don't seem to have a pitching coach who can keep them going. Anybody who can take the black hole of suck that was the 2003 Tigers and put 'em in a WS 3 years later is incredible in my eyes. Is he perfect? No, but who the **** is?
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Well, that's really 2 separate arguments, isn't it? Why wouldn't it work in today's game?
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| This is ridiculous. It'd be bad enough if he was the manager and you want him as the GM too? Why exactly? Because he had Gene Michael in 1994-5 and ooooodles of cash to spend on superstar pitchers in 2000? Here we are bitching about Omar not adjusting to a seismic shift in the game and our answer is supposed to be.... Buck Showalter? Huh?
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06-10-2008, 01:55 PM
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or you're begging a player to sacrifice his own numbers to help the team and then deciding you can't possible (or stupidly that you can) give him the extra year/couple of mil on his contract.... Being someone's buddy, which is what you have to do to lure in/keep these guys while trying to be their manager is a difficult thing to manage. Hell look no further than Omar's relation to the latin guys in the clubhouse and he's not even a manager on this team...but yet it has completely underminded the entire team...... Too much money and too much ego in the game today. Controlling one and the other need to be kept apart | |
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He has drafted plenty of power arms yes, but most of them are hurt or have a 5.05 ERA like Verlander. Developing them may not be his fault, but he's in charge of picking the people for that job as well. It is bad enough to watch Pelfrey disappoint so much, but just imagine having to watch a guy who's much better like Verlander do the same? | |
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It was just a thought...
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