Interesting Piece Re Cliff Floyd

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-09-2008, 04:45 PM

Per Metblog and Huffington Post

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At the Huffington Post, Dave Hollander examines how immeasurable the arrival of Cliff Floyd is to a team.

According to Hollander, wherever Floyd goes, his teams are impacted ‘as if before Floyd got there not only weren’t they winning but his teams appeared to have little idea how to win.’

Hollander breaks down the following examples of the Floyd Factor:

Florida Marlins
In 1996, the team was 80-82, finishing 3rd in the NL East. Floyd joins the team in 1997. They go 92-70 and win the World Series.

New York Mets
In 2001, the team was 75-86, finishing 5th in the NL East. Floyd joins the club in 2003. Three seasons later the Mets are one strike away from going to the World Series.

Chicago Cubs
In 2006, the team was 66-96, finishing last in the NL Central. Floyd joins the team in 2007 and they go 85-77, winning the NL Central.

Tampa Bay Rays
Since their inception in 1998, this franchise has only finished above last place in their division once. They have never won more than 70 games in a season, and reached that meager total but once. Floyd joins the team this season and they are leading AL East through the first third of the season. Their record has been at times the best in baseball.

Floyd typically doesn’t carry teams, nor is he the best player, however there is something about his presence which Hollander sums up the best by stating:

“You can’t measure a conversation that instructs or motivates or takes pressure off. You can’t quantify a well timed joke that eases tension in the clubhouse. Or a look that reassures. Or a skillful deflection of the media away from a player who can’t handle it. Or a million other little things that go into the relationships that are bonded over the course of season together. These are the human qualities that elude objective statistical analysis. But they’re crucial to creating a winning team. In order to win, especially to win a championship, it’s not simply about being the best player but about making other teammates play better.”

MrHat · 06-09-2008, 04:56 PM

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New York Mets
In 2001, the team was 75-86, finishing 5th in the NL East. Floyd joins the club in 2003. Three seasons later the Mets are one strike away from going to the World Series.

This is just stupid.

3 years + Beltran, Pedro, Wright, Reyes, Good Delgado, Maine, etc. Besides the year that they finally turned it on, he was on the field or in the clubhouse the least.

The Cubs added huge pieces to their club just before he got there as well.

I'm not denying Floyd is probably a good clubhouse guy, but any relation between him and the team winning is just coincidence

Big Denny · 06-09-2008, 05:05 PM

Amazing feet considering he was never on the field.

Still one of my favorites, however.

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-09-2008, 05:07 PM

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I'm not denying Floyd is probably a good clubhouse guy, but any relation between him and the team winning is just coincidence

Oh, I agree, I just posted the article because I thought it was an interesting read.

My last image of Floyd as a Met was of him shoe horning himself onto the NLCS roster, and contributing nothing in that series.

lgm6986 · 06-09-2008, 05:07 PM

If he had amazing feet he probably would have been on the field more.

freakzilla11 · 06-09-2008, 05:08 PM

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New York Mets
In 2001, the team was 75-86, finishing 5th in the NL East. Floyd joins the club in 2003. Three seasons later the Mets are one strike away from going to the World Series.

Yet I'm convinced that they make the World Series WITHOUT Floyd on the NLCS roster.

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-09-2008, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by freakzilla11

Yet I'm convinced that they make the World Series WITHOUT Floyd on the NLCS roster.

Agreed.

Gregory Gewirtz · 06-09-2008, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHat

This is just stupid.

3 years + Beltran, Pedro, Wright, Reyes, Good Delgado, Maine, etc. Besides the year that they finally turned it on, he was on the field or in the clubhouse the least.

The Cubs added huge pieces to their club just before he got there as well.

I'm not denying Floyd is probably a good clubhouse guy, but any relation between him and the team winning is just coincidence

Thanks. You saved me a few moments of writing.

lgm6986 · 06-09-2008, 05:54 PM

Didn't he also play for the Red Sox for about three minutes? Maybe that's how they finally overcame The Curse.

Piney Woods · 06-09-2008, 06:02 PM

Exhibit A in the case of a writer who starts with the conclusion and then searches for data that he can retro-fit into the equation so as to "prove" his already reached point.

Kind of makes it perfect for this board.

SteveJRogers · 06-09-2008, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by lgm6986

Didn't he also play for the Red Sox for about three minutes? Maybe that's how they finally overcame The Curse.

HA! That was part of one very strange series of events in 2002 when he was traded from the Marlins, back to the Expos, and then to the Red Sox for the rest of that summer before being signed by the Mets in the off-season. Kind of mirroring the situations with all three ownership groups at the time as well.

But yeah, Cliff Floyd is not Reggie Jackson in terms of what Reggie was talking about in his "the magnitude of me" lines. It is more coincidental than anything.

I mean the 1997 Marlins had Kevin Brown, Al Leiter and Alex Fernandez as their Big Three!

lgm6986 · 06-09-2008, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Piney Woods

Exhibit A in the case of a writer who starts with the conclusion and then searches for data that he can retro-fit into the equation so as to "prove" his already reached point.

Kind of makes it perfect for this board.

If he only the author were an incredibly pompous, condescending, self important douche bag too.

Sports Doctor · 06-09-2008, 07:36 PM

Its funny how people put off the notion that a player can have a winning attitude and have an impact like this, yet in the same breath complain the guys on the current team have no heart.

uphill struggle · 06-09-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sports Doctor

Its funny how people put off the notion that a player can have a winning attitude and have an impact like this, yet in the same breath complain the guys on the current team have no heart.

it's just that this is a stretch, not that cliff isnt that kinda guy.

i mean, he was part of the cubs last year and now they're in first place, does he get credit for that, too?

SteveJRogers · 06-09-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by uphill struggle

it's just that this is a stretch, not that cliff isnt that kinda guy.

i mean, he was part of the cubs last year and now they're in first place, does he get credit for that, too?

Exactly. The author is making it seem Floyd was the focal point if all these teams. He was not. Especially for the 2006 Mets.

Floyd is not the Keith Hernandez of the 06 Mets. Mazzilli is a more apt comparison.

The notion is along the same silly notion that when ARod leaves his teams improve, and his leaving is part of the reason why.

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Big Denny Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,329	Amazing feet considering he was never on the field. Still one of my favorites, however. __________________ "I'll say it again in the land of the free ,use your freedom of choice". DEVO

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06-09-2008, 05:07 PM	#5 (permalink)
lgm6986 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,959	If he had amazing feet he probably would have been on the field more.

06-09-2008, 05:54 PM	#9 (permalink)
lgm6986 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,959	Didn't he also play for the Red Sox for about three minutes? Maybe that's how they finally overcame The Curse.

06-09-2008, 06:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
Piney Woods Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 365	Exhibit A in the case of a writer who starts with the conclusion and then searches for data that he can retro-fit into the equation so as to "prove" his already reached point. Kind of makes it perfect for this board.

06-09-2008, 07:36 PM	#13 (permalink)
Sports Doctor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,167	Its funny how people put off the notion that a player can have a winning attitude and have an impact like this, yet in the same breath complain the guys on the current team have no heart.

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