If You Owned The Mets...

Paulie Cee · 05-23-2008, 01:49 PM

...and were unencumbered by what the Realistic would keep you from doing, how would you reshape this team?

1) Fire Omar
2) Fire Steamboat
3) Reyes stays...for now.
4) Trade Castillo and cash for a healthy second baseman who can field decently and even occasionally hit the ball out of the infield.
5) Trade Beltran to a contender for their decent (not star) centerfielder and a high-level prospect (or two). Money may need to figure here as well.
6) Dump Delgado immediately.
7) Dump Easley and Anderson. Even if they could hit they'd be unaffordable luxuries on this mediocre team. If they could hit.
8) Trade Heilman before his value hits rock freaking bottom.
9) Trade Perez for pitching prospects
10) Make the fans understand that we're going to suck for a couple of years.

DDPv6.0 · 05-23-2008, 01:52 PM

I think dumping Delgado would be #1 for me, but I agree with everything.

Voodoo · 05-23-2008, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DDPv6.0

I think dumping Delgado would be #1 for me, but I agree with everything.

Agreed, I'd like to see if Reyes improves with a better veteran mentor than Delgado.

Jersey Shore · 05-23-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

Agreed, I'd like to see if Reyes improves with a better veteran mentor than Delgado.

where did you get the idea that DelGado was his "mentor"?

Mule · 05-23-2008, 02:01 PM

Besides the obvious answers of "a loaf of bread" and "a can of SPAM", any thoughts on who'd replace 1) and 2) ?

Right now my irritations in order:

1) Steamboat
2) Delgado
3) Castillo and his contract (because they're a set)
4) Omar
5) everything else

I'd love to say Delpinko is #1 but it's painfully obvious that 5 Johans and 9 Ted Williams could be the rotation/batting order and Willie would still **** it up.

lgm6986 · 05-23-2008, 02:02 PM

I'd hold off on # 5. Other than that, sign me up.

KingOlerud · 05-23-2008, 02:03 PM

I'd sell.

joshuahist · 05-23-2008, 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie Cee

...and were unencumbered by what the Realistic would keep you from doing, how would you reshape this team?

1) Fire Omar
2) Fire Steamboat
3) Reyes stays
4) Keep Castillo, nobody would take him, so they are going to have to pray he gets healthy
5) Do not trade Beltran, unless you get superstar prospects in return
6) Dump Delgado immediately.
7) Dump Easley and Anderson. Even if they could hit they'd be unaffordable luxuries on this mediocre team. If they could hit.
8) Trade Heilman before his value hits rock freaking bottom.
9) Trade Perez for pitching prospects
10) This team would actually be a more solid team that way, and would at least be .500 for the rest of the year. If they play their cards right, and the prospects they get back in return pan out, they could be excellent in a year or two.

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Jersey Shore · 05-23-2008, 02:05 PM

I'd sign on to the MOFO and take my instructions from there......I mean seriously.WHY DON'T THEY LISTEN. We are all baseball oracles, we know best!!!!!!!

freakzilla11 · 05-23-2008, 02:07 PM

1) Fire Willie AND Omar.
2) Dump Delgado.
3) Re-sign Church and Maine (more because they seem to be 'winning' players)
3) Trade Heilman
4) Trade Perez
5) Sign COMPETENT replacement for Alou
6) Listen to offers for Wagner, Beltran, and Reyes with the requirement that I'd only trade them if overwhelmed.
7) Dump Alou if he cannot stay healthy

I'm not too concerned with the bench guys, only because they make no money really.

Voodoo · 05-23-2008, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Shore

where did you get the idea that DelGado was his "mentor"?

More of a hunch than anything. Valentin was the guy back in '06 for Reyes. With him gone it would make sense that Delgado be the veteran he turns to now. Current performance aside, he had a very good career that a younger player would respect, I just get the impression that Valentin is a better influence.

freakzilla11 · 05-23-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Voodoo

More of a hunch than anything. Valentin was the guy back in '06 for Reyes. With him gone it would make sense that Delgado be the veteran he turns to now. Current performance aside, he had a very good career that a younger player would respect, I just get the impression that Valentin is a better influence.

I read somewhere (probably here) that Castillo may have been a cause for Reyes' drop off last year (ie: He was a bad influence on Reyes).

Mr. Met · 05-23-2008, 02:15 PM

Paulie, I agree with everything on your list except #5. I'm not saying Beltran is untouchable, but it would have to be a spectaular offer. How can the Mets expect a great offer for Beltran, with his performance to date ?

I also feel that Alou must go too.

Paulie Cee · 05-23-2008, 02:18 PM

Beltran is a flaccid compiler, who really seems as though he'd rather be somewhere else, preferably out of the spotlight.

He is also one of the few tradeable commodities with real value.

mets84 · 05-23-2008, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulie Cee

...and were unencumbered by what the Realistic would keep you from doing, how would you reshape this team?

1) Fire Omar
2) Fire Steamboat
3) Reyes stays...for now.
4) Trade Castillo and cash for a healthy second baseman who can field decently and even occasionally hit the ball out of the infield.
5) Trade Beltran to a contender for their decent (not star) centerfielder and a high-level prospect (or two). Money may need to figure here as well.
6) Dump Delgado immediately.
7) Dump Easley and Anderson. Even if they could hit they'd be unaffordable luxuries on this mediocre team. If they could hit.
8) Trade Heilman before his value hits rock freaking bottom.
9) Trade Perez for pitching prospects
10) Make the fans understand that we're going to suck for a couple of years.

#4 is worth a try, but my guess is the Mets are going to end up eating that money... and like LGM I might hold off on #5. I think Beltran is going to be productive well into his 30s. I think when it comes down to it, trading Reyes is going to net the biggest windfall and trading Beltran will probably end up not being worth it.

I'd also add #11 - don't sign Teixeira. Odds are one of Carp/Evans/Murphy is going to work out. There's your first baseman. Spend the money elsewhere, probably in the outfield (my guess is Church is going to be like the white Bernard Gilkey).

Other than that, looks good.

IF the Mets started right now, they could build a real team around David Wright that could be back on top in two years. But if there's any franchise that could COMPLETELY waste the prime years of their once-every-other-generation franchise player, it's the Mets.

Ugh. Rebuilding is bad... watching a team that doesn't know it's time to rebuild is worse.

05-23-2008, 01:49 PM	#1 (permalink)
Paulie Cee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Well, we'll know in a month, you miserable shitstain. Posts: 5,926	If You Owned The Mets... ...and were unencumbered by what the Realistic would keep you from doing, how would you reshape this team? 1) Fire Omar 2) Fire Steamboat 3) Reyes stays...for now. 4) Trade Castillo and cash for a healthy second baseman who can field decently and even occasionally hit the ball out of the infield. 5) Trade Beltran to a contender for their decent (not star) centerfielder and a high-level prospect (or two). Money may need to figure here as well. 6) Dump Delgado immediately. 7) Dump Easley and Anderson. Even if they could hit they'd be unaffordable luxuries on this mediocre team. If they could hit. 8) Trade Heilman before his value hits rock freaking bottom. 9) Trade Perez for pitching prospects 10) Make the fans understand that we're going to suck for a couple of years.

05-23-2008, 01:52 PM	#2 (permalink)
DDPv6.0 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Mule's Closet Posts: 4,659	I think dumping Delgado would be #1 for me, but I agree with everything. __________________ Fred: Looks like you've been missing a lot of work lately. Omar: Well, I wouldn't say I've been missing it, Fred.

05-23-2008, 02:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
Mule Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: In a pit kicking DDP's ass. Posts: 3,576	Besides the obvious answers of "a loaf of bread" and "a can of SPAM", any thoughts on who'd replace 1) and 2) ? Right now my irritations in order: 1) Steamboat 2) Delgado 3) Castillo and his contract (because they're a set) 4) Omar 5) everything else I'd love to say Delpinko is #1 but it's painfully obvious that 5 Johans and 9 Ted Williams could be the rotation/batting order and Willie would still **** it up. __________________ I just took a crap and named it muhammed -- METSSC I know KO foreign policy is a little bit simplistic, but holes where countries ending in "an" were is pretty much the number one tenet. -- KingOlerud

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05-23-2008, 02:02 PM	#6 (permalink)
lgm6986 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,959	I'd hold off on # 5. Other than that, sign me up.

05-23-2008, 02:03 PM	#7 (permalink)
KingOlerud Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Met Hero, Luis Castillo Posts: 9,128	I'd sell.

05-23-2008, 02:15 PM	#13 (permalink)
Mr. Met Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,149	Paulie, I agree with everything on your list except #5. I'm not saying Beltran is untouchable, but it would have to be a spectaular offer. How can the Mets expect a great offer for Beltran, with his performance to date ? I also feel that Alou must go too.

05-23-2008, 02:18 PM	#14 (permalink)
Paulie Cee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Well, we'll know in a month, you miserable shitstain. Posts: 5,926	Beltran is a flaccid compiler, who really seems as though he'd rather be somewhere else, preferably out of the spotlight. He is also one of the few tradeable commodities with real value.

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