kingdiggler

Rick Peterson? He has to be held at least somewhat accountable for the crappy way the bullpen is pitching.

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15 Day DL Alou

bullpen's are fickle especially in the shadow of the Yankees ridiculous run of success anchored by Rivera.

Peterson shares some culpability there, perhaps Conti as well, but ultimately Minaya has made the decisions and while assembling a bullpen is often a crap shoot that needs to be configured in part or in whole almost year to year he can't possibly escape that while all that glittered was gold in 2006, 2007 was bad, and the pen is going to need repair not just from within but from outside help as well.

kingdiggler

It seems like then pen can never get whole. Burgos, Sanchez and Padilla all had some sort of promise but never pitched as an entire unit.

By the way, I think you should change your name to more accurately represent moises. You should be 60 day dl alou.

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Luscious Johnny D.

I blame Omar for that. St. Rick doesn't have a whole lot to work with there.

15 Day DL Alou

you have to at least consider the possibility that he was making recommendations on whom to get rid of, and whom to go get, I think Peterson does a fairly good job, and I think he gets roundly over emphasized going back to the Kazmir deal, and while I have no evidence that he supported trading Scott Kazmir, he did believe that Victor Zambrano was worth acuiring, and that is a hard scar to remove.

metman

No pitching coach can make Sosa a good pitcher. That's why teams gave up on him. Same for Scott at this point in his career and nobody will make Wagner a big game stud closer. Nor will anybody make Heilman a bulldog. It's not a good bullpen top to bottom, sadly. When they had Duaner, Heilman with Less Pressure AND Bradford, they were unbeatable. Ever since then, they fell apart in big spots. That was the dream scenario and that bullpen allowed them to win that many games. What you see now is what you get. This is who they are, sadly, and it is out of Rick's hands.

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15 Day DL Alou

so basically the entire bullpen is a joke but Randolph is still an idiot because he has to use each and every one of them?

kingdiggler

I think peterson should be blamed if he doesn't have a gameplan with his pitchers. It doesn't seem like he does.

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MrHat

Cant blame him as well when everyone is ready to light Willie on fire for each move he makes out there. The problem cant be all on Peterson, Willie, the starters, and the pen....at least one needs to pushed into the "it plays so small of a factor who gives a **** category...."

Getting rid of Peterson doesnt suddenly improve the pen. Nor do I think getting rid of Willie does either (not saying he doesnt make bad moves, but I think the problem has a lot more to do with the players out there than anything else).

Heilman has his occasional implosions, but generally is about as consistent of a reliever as you're going to find. Shoenweiss however, just flat out sucks in ANY role.

MetfanBren

Santana's the only pitcher to go more than six innings so far this year. Perez has yet to give up a run but only has 11.2 innings to show for it (this is why he's not worth a Boras deal yet). Pelfrey had a good outing tonight by his standards, but he still only went five. I don't know too many teams who have real good 7th inning guys, let alone a 6th inning one...

The starters are going to have to start eating a lot more innings for the pen to improve. I think Saint Rick would gladly swap a run or two for a couple more innings out of Perez and Maine. You're not going to win many games asking a bullpen to get 10 outs for you even if you shut the other team out...

Voodoo

It's a shame, if Reyes didn't screw up maybe Pelfrey stretches it to 6.

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