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Old 04-05-2008, 02:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Shea may be gone next year, but William Shea will live on

A Shea "retired number" will join 37, 14, 41 and 42 at Shea this year and Citi Field next year
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Well it's a good thing, since this is pretty much all that they have of Bill Shea at Shea right now



Just his HOF bust and a picture of him in the lobby at one of his opening day appearances. And it's about time as well!
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Well it's a good thing, since this is pretty much all that they have of Bill Shea at Shea right now



Just his HOF bust and a picture of him in the lobby at one of his opening day appearances. And it's about time as well!
yeah, the fact that every time the stadium is mentioned, a ticket is bought etc etc it only has his name attached to it.
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yeah, the fact that every time the stadium is mentioned, a ticket is bought etc etc it only has his name attached to it.
Yeah but it is not "William Shea Stadium" the way it was "Jack Murphy Stadium" in San Diego and plus at this point how many people in that place would know who "Shea" was.

I'm sure an informal poll of people at Shea would illicit responses ranging from some long dead politician or a Robert Moses type to some guy killed in a war to some old empty suit Met board member back in the day.

And good luck finding the aforementioned bust and picture in the Diamond Club Closet...errr Lobby, most people without Diamond Club tickets probably don't even know the HOF exists. And even if you do, the photos in the lobby and the busts tell NOTHING about who the HOFers are.

Why is this Joan Payson person in the Hall? Who is this William Shea, I know he is connected to the stadium, but who was he? Not to mention the photos have no "captions" so someone who doesn't know any of them is SOL if they ask someone else who doesn't know.

"Gee who is that guy pop?" (kid pointing to Cleon Jones' photo)

"Uhhh, I don't know, Ed Charles I think."

"Okay how about him?" (points to Ed Kranepool's photo)

"Ummmm I think Dave Kingman? He is in the Mets Hall of Fame right. Has to be."
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Yeah but it is not "William Shea Stadium" the way it was "Jack Murphy Stadium" in San Diego and plus at this point how many people in that place would know who "Shea" was.

I'm sure an informal poll of people at Shea would illicit responses ranging from some long dead politician or a Robert Moses type to some guy killed in a war to some old empty suit Met board member back in the day.

And good luck finding the aforementioned bust and picture in the Diamond Club Closet...errr Lobby, most people without Diamond Club tickets probably don't even know the HOF exists. And even if you do, the photos in the lobby and the busts tell NOTHING about who the HOFers are.

Why is this Joan Payson person in the Hall? Who is this William Shea, I know he is connected to the stadium, but who was he? Not to mention the photos have no "captions" so someone who doesn't know any of them is SOL if they ask someone else who doesn't know.

"Gee who is that guy pop?" (kid pointing to Cleon Jones' photo)

"Uhhh, I don't know, Ed Charles I think."

"Okay how about him?" (points to Ed Kranepool's photo)

"Ummmm I think Dave Kingman? He is in the Mets Hall of Fame right. Has to be."
The stadium is not a library. If you are so concerned why the stadium is named after William Shea when you go home you go to google and type in his name....you have your answer in about 3.2 milliseconds.
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The stadium is not a library. If you are so concerned why the stadium is named after William Shea when you go home you go to google and type in his name....you have your answer in about 3.2 milliseconds.
Look, I know Rogers is usually dismissed as a kookoo bird, but that Mets HOF IS a 2nd rate Piece of Crap. There should be a much more informative, complete and classy tribute to the few greats that have worn the Mets uniform. Including, IMO, a little Bio about each player wouldn't kill them.

I know that's not why this thread was started. William Shea HAS been honored by having the stadium named after him. That name will never be forgotten by generations of Mets fans. But the bottom line is young Mets fans will get very little out of the the current Mets HOF.
Hopefully, that will be corrected within the walls of Citifield.
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Thank God. I was afraid Wilpon was gonna honor Charlie Ebbets.
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Look, I know Rogers is usually dismissed as a kookoo bird, but that Mets HOF IS a 2nd rate Piece of Crap. There should be a much more informative, complete and classy tribute to the few greats that have worn the Mets uniform. Including, IMO, a little Bio about each player wouldn't kill them.

I know that's not why this thread was started. William Shea HAS been honored by having the stadium named after him. That name will never be forgotten by generations of Mets fans. But the bottom line is young Mets fans will get very little out of the the current Mets HOF.
Hopefully, that will be corrected within the walls of Citifield.
Maybe the Mets HOF is a second rate piece of crap because the franchise as a whole is a second rate piece of crap (relatively speaking). That said, I am sure the main reason the HOF sucks at Shea is because it was never planned in the construction of the original stadium and they had to find a place to squeeze it in as the team became older. I mean, the team was 2 years old when the stadium was originally built so I am sure there was no place set aside for the HOF. While I have not studied the particulars of the new place, I am sure this is not the case.
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Look, I know Rogers is usually dismissed as a kookoo bird, but that Mets HOF IS a 2nd rate Piece of Crap. There should be a much more informative, complete and classy tribute to the few greats that have worn the Mets uniform. Including, IMO, a little Bio about each player wouldn't kill them.

I know that's not why this thread was started. William Shea HAS been honored by having the stadium named after him. That name will never be forgotten by generations of Mets fans. But the bottom line is young Mets fans will get very little out of the the current Mets HOF.
Hopefully, that will be corrected within the walls of Citifield
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you need some players that belong there in order to drive any interest, to date the Mets have one single player who has merited place in a franchise hall of fame.
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you need some players that belong there in order to drive any interest, to date the Mets have one single player who has merited place in a franchise hall of fame.
Piazza, Strawberry, Gooden, Koosman, Carter, Hernandez, Wilson, Jones, McGraw?

Look I'm not suggesting going the Yankee route and retiring numbers, but just because the Mets only had one real All-Time Great baseball legend play most of his career as a Met doesn't mean you don't honor the team's great performers over the years.

Looking at the list of players, okay I agree with Kranepool, Staub, and to a lesser exent Agee, Harrelson and Grote, but are you saying Wilson, Carter, Hernandez, Jones and Koosman shouldn't be in there because they aren't Tom Seaver?
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Maybe the Mets HOF is a second rate piece of crap because the franchise as a whole is a second rate piece of crap (relatively speaking). That said, I am sure the main reason the HOF sucks at Shea is because it was never planned in the construction of the original stadium and they had to find a place to squeeze it in as the team became older. I mean, the team was 2 years old when the stadium was originally built so I am sure there was no place set aside for the HOF. While I have not studied the particulars of the new place, I am sure this is not the case.
Monument Park was never meant to be in the construction of Yankee Stadium, but they found a nice place for it when it came time to erect a monument for Miller Huggins, a plaque for Jacob Ruppert and monuments for Ruth and Gehrig. I mean sure it was in play back then, but they found a place and made it accessible to fans leaving the ballpark.

And the Mets found a place to squeeze a giant team store right behind home plate, I'm sure they would have found a suitable place if they tried.
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Monument Park was never meant to be in the construction of Yankee Stadium, but they found a nice place for it when it came time to erect a monument for Miller Huggins, a plaque for Jacob Ruppert and monuments for Ruth and Gehrig. I mean sure it was in play back then, but they found a place and made it accessible to fans leaving the ballpark.

And the Mets found a place to squeeze a giant team store right behind home plate, I'm sure they would have found a suitable place if they tried.
If the Mets had players like Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mantle, etc, I am sure they would find a place to squeeze it in. I am sure if they wanted to they could fit a plaque for our one truly great players somewhere in the park.

I am not saying a nice Mets HOF wouldn't be nice but I am not going to get on the Mets case for not having some elaborate set up for Seaver and then a bunch of coke heads who never lived up to expectations.
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I agree that the Mets history is pretty crappy when it comes to having Mets HOF worthy players. However, Seaver, Doc, Straw, Keith, Kooz, McGraw, Piazza, Carter, Mookie as well Gil Hodges and perhaps Rube Walker; and broadcast wing with Kiner, Murphy, Nelson...

There IS some good stuff there that deserves to be honored moving forward.
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Piazza, Strawberry, Gooden, Koosman, Carter, Hernandez, Wilson, Jones, McGraw?

Look I'm not suggesting going the Yankee route and retiring numbers, but just because the Mets only had one real All-Time Great baseball legend play most of his career as a Met doesn't mean you don't honor the team's great performers over the years.

Looking at the list of players, okay I agree with Kranepool, Staub, and to a lesser exent Agee, Harrelson and Grote, but are you saying Wilson, Carter, Hernandez, Jones and Koosman shouldn't be in there because they aren't Tom Seaver?
Hernandez is the only one you mention that is deserving, who next Edgardo Alfonzo? and Hernandez is stretch, just consider this, by the criteria that seems to be laid out here, the Yankees would be honoring David Wells.
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