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Old 01-08-2013, 12:44 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Wasnt 10mm. the number we heard at the start of the winter?
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:40 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Enter Sandy-Man | Mets Merized Online

Seems like this article summarizes the full picture well..

I am of the opinion Sandy was brought in to stabilize upper management..whether he was fully aware how poor Wilpons were when he took job..debatable..but if if he did..people may question as to why he took job..maybe he thought if he can make lemonade out of urine..he will be perceived as genius..and prove that in his mind one can win with a sub 100 mil payroll in ny..?? Problem is..not at 50 mil.. and I also still question if he has full autonomy as depicted with Jeffy in the picture as much as he is with the rubberband over wallet..perhaps he does..IF THE PRICE IS RIGHT..
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Sandy was in charge of vetting all Latin prospects, and investigating those who were suspected of lying about their ages before, when he was sent to the Mets. Both seem like impossible and thankless jobs, but I would rather tackle the Mets than a whole bunch of countries...

I do believe he was lied to at least to a certain extent, because the Wilpon's are liars. Though I'm sure they'd prefer we refer to the lies as "changing realities," instead...
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Wasnt 10mm. the number we heard at the start of the winter?
And that "theoretically" assumed Wright's $16 mill option, rather than $8 mill extension AND Dickey's $6 mill option, rather than some $1.5 mill scrub.

Ergo, Plandy Planderson SHOULD HAVE - drumroll please - $22.5 MILLION in available cash.

Lying FUCKER.
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Old 01-11-2013, 04:07 PM   #35 (permalink)
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And that "theoretically" assumed Wright's $16 mill option, rather than $8 mill extension AND Dickey's $6 mill option, rather than some $1.5 mill scrub.

Ergo, Plandy Planderson SHOULD HAVE - drumroll please - $22.5 MILLION in available cash.

Lying FUCKER.
Bucks salary cancelled out Dickeys option...but point taken..rest of it all true!
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Bucks salary cancelled out Dickeys option...but point taken..rest of it all true!
not so fast...

Thole and Nickeas probably account for 2Ish million.
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The fans have a right to be critical of the lack of spending but you have to like the building blocks that consist of Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Mejia, Familia, Syndergaard, Fulmer, Montero and Tapia. When was the last time the Mets that many talented young arms? Offensively, Wright is signed long term and if Ike Davis, Reuben Tejada, Wilmer Flores and Travis d'Arnaud continue to play well- the Mets will still suck in 2013 but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
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The fans have a right to be critical of the lack of spending but you have to like the building blocks that consist of Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Mejia, Familia, Syndergaard, Fulmer, Montero and Tapia. When was the last time the Mets that many talented young arms? Offensively, Wright is signed long term and if Ike Davis, Reuben Tejada, Wilmer Flores and Travis d'Arnaud continue to play well- the Mets will still suck in 2013 but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
Uh huh...
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He still hasn't taken the red pill.
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Tell me the last time they (Mets) had as much pitching depth in the minors? Mid 80's?
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The fans have a right to be critical of the lack of spending but you have to like the building blocks that consist of Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Mejia, Familia, Syndergaard, Fulmer, Montero and Tapia. When was the last time the Mets that many talented young arms? Offensively, Wright is signed long term and if Ike Davis, Reuben Tejada, Wilmer Flores and Travis d'Arnaud continue to play well- the Mets will still suck in 2013 but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
No outfielders, horrific BP, prospects can fail and do so more often than not, broke, stupid owner.

10 more years of misery, at least.
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No outfielders, horrific BP, prospects can fail and do so more often than not, broke, stupid owner.

10 more years of misery, at least.
Now if Frank Cashen went by that theory of prospects can fail, the Mets would've never won in the mid 80's. The Mets have stock piled prospects in the event that a few of them turn out to be bust. I tend to think d'Arnaud, Flores, Wheeler, Syndergaard are the real deal.

I don't know what the Mets have in terms of outfielders and neither does anybody else. The current outfield could be a huge disapointment but it may surprise some people. I think Duda and Nieuwenhuis are better than expected. I predict that Cowgill and Baxter are useful.
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Now if Frank Cashen went by that theory of prospects can fail, the Mets would've never won in the mid 80's. The Mets have stock piled prospects in the event that a few of them turn out to be bust. I tend to think d'Arnaud, Flores, Wheeler, Syndergaard are the real deal.

I don't know what the Mets have in terms of outfielders and neither does anybody else. The current outfield could be a huge disapointment but it may surprise some people. I think Duda and Nieuwenhuis are better than expected. I predict that Cowgill and Baxter are useful.
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We'll have to see now won't we? wait until Duda and Nieuwenhuis prove to be a lot better than orginally thought and the Mets front office will receive the recognition they deserve in a couple of years.
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The fans have a right to be critical of the lack of spending but you have to like the building blocks that consist of Harvey, Niese, Wheeler, Mejia, Familia, Syndergaard, Fulmer, Montero and Tapia. When was the last time the Mets that many talented young arms? Offensively, Wright is signed long term and if Ike Davis, Reuben Tejada, Wilmer Flores and Travis d'Arnaud continue to play well- the Mets will still suck in 2013 but there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
In the end the Mets are in a good position to start rebuilding from, but its ultimately going to be meaningless if they don't spend money - they aren't even investing money in their youth properly with chopping out minor league clubs and reducing the amount of scouting they have. They didn't take advantage of over spending in the draft when they could have and now they are stuck.

They've had similar talent before (mid 2000s saw a ton of good arms get traded and/or turn to busts - Kazmir, Peterson, Humber, Gaby Hernandez, Guerra, Pelfrey, Bannister, etc) and let it get away from them either by cutting corners or just bad luck....spending money doesn't always mean just throwing out huge contracts to MLers either....they haven't spent money organization WIDE...thats the scary part of all this. I'd feel a lot better about the Mets future right now if they were at least taking some of this money saved and putting it towards the rebuilding project through the minors/scouting/drafting, but right now its all just going to the banks.....and if that doesn't change, even this promising collection of kids aren't going to have the support they need to succeed.
 
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