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Old 06-22-2012, 03:04 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Kingman played something like 23 games in rightfield as a Met. Hubie Brooks played 2.
And I wished Bobby Bonilla played 2!
 
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:34 PM   #17 (permalink)
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The list shows how little talent the Mets had in some positions. Doug Flynn? He had a worse career than Horace Clarke who had a Yankee era of ineptitude named after him. I'd put Jeff Kent over him. And no Carlos Delgado? Everybody loves Kranepool but c'mon.
The least talented and worse position is the ownership.
 
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Old 06-22-2012, 03:39 PM   #18 (permalink)
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The least talented and worse position is the ownership.
The 50 year team ownership rankings are as follows: (only two worth mentioning)

Joan Payson
Nelson Doubleday
 
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There should be a minimum number of years played for the team.

Ventura only played 3 years - not enough for consideration. He may have hit 77 HRs during that time, but only batted .260.

Olerud only played 3 seasons as well, but batted .315 with 63 HRs.
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The Mets history of rightfielders is absolutely ass. Bonilla had one of the better season as bad as it sounds. Who else would you list there? Timo Perez? Joe Orsulak? Ellis Valentine? The corpse of Duke Snider?
BLASPHEMY!!! Joltin Joe Orsulak was a gamer!!!!
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I was thinking about the all-suck team and came up with:

1b-Mike Marshall - At least Mo Vaughn beat the Yankees a couple of game. This stiff was good for 40 games.
Runner up Mo Vaughn

2B - Roberto Alomar - No interest playing here and didn't even try to hide it.
Runner up: Carlos Baerga

SS - Tony Fernandez - Another guy who was great, came here and sucked, left and became great again.
Runner up: Mike Bordick

3B - Jim Fregosi - Traded Nolan Ryan for the guy and sucked
Runner up: Richie Hebner

LF - Jason Bay - Nice guy, but the biggest waste of 66 million.
Runner up: Vince Coleman

CF - Juan Samuel - No interest being here, sucked and traded two beloved Mets for him.
Runner up: Really none, but to choose one Mike Cameron.

RF - Bobby Bonilla - Sucked twice for this club, still paying him off.
Runner up: Derek Bell

C - Ron Hodges - cant believe this stiff was on the Mets for 10 years
Runner up: Mackey Sasser

RHP - Anthony Young - Supposed to be the next Doc Gooden. He was the Dr. of losing.
Runner up: Mike Torrez

LHP - Oliver Perez - Needs no explanation
Runner up - Tom Glavine

RH Relief - Mel Rojas - was supposed to be the answer
Runner up: Doug Sisk, Billy Taylor

LH Relief - Joe Sambito - just came here and sucked. Simple.
Runner up: the number of Japanese relievers that came through here.

Manager: Jeff Torborg - Overmatched and terrible.
Runners up: Art Howe, Jerry Manuel
1st base - You nailed it w/ Mike Marshall, although I will also list Glenn Davis - who never played for the Mets as he was cut after Spring Training because he was a huge disappontment.
2nd base - Roberto Alomar is a good one too...followed closely by the Original Inidans 2nd Base all-star/.300 hitter who came to the Mets and stunk up the joint...Carlos Baerga.
SS - Tony Fernandez is my all time most hated ball player ever. If I could kill three people on earth and not be judged by Man or God...he is #2 on my list.
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I was thinking about the all-suck team and came up with:

1b-Mike Marshall - At least Mo Vaughn beat the Yankees a couple of game. This stiff was good for 40 games.
Runner up Mo Vaughn

2B - Roberto Alomar - No interest playing here and didn't even try to hide it.
Runner up: Carlos Baerga

SS - Tony Fernandez - Another guy who was great, came here and sucked, left and became great again.
Runner up: Mike Bordick

3B - Jim Fregosi - Traded Nolan Ryan for the guy and sucked
Runner up: Richie Hebner

LF - Jason Bay - Nice guy, but the biggest waste of 66 million.
Runner up: Vince Coleman

CF - Juan Samuel - No interest being here, sucked and traded two beloved Mets for him.
Runner up: Really none, but to choose one Mike Cameron.

RF - Bobby Bonilla - Sucked twice for this club, still paying him off.
Runner up: Derek Bell

C - Ron Hodges - cant believe this stiff was on the Mets for 10 years
Runner up: Mackey Sasser

RHP - Anthony Young - Supposed to be the next Doc Gooden. He was the Dr. of losing.
Runner up: Mike Torrez

LHP - Oliver Perez - Needs no explanation
Runner up - Tom Glavine

RH Relief - Mel Rojas - was supposed to be the answer
Runner up: Doug Sisk, Billy Taylor

LH Relief - Joe Sambito - just came here and sucked. Simple.
Runner up: the number of Japanese relievers that came through here.

Manager: Jeff Torborg - Overmatched and terrible.
Runners up: Art Howe, Jerry Manuel
Two words for right handed reliever: Mike Maddox
And two more words for lefty reliever: Paul Gibson
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Old 06-23-2012, 01:54 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Cameron and Bell weren't that bad.

Anthony Young was more unlucky than outright bad. He couldn't strike anyone out and the Mets had a horrible D then. That was a big problem in the 92-96 era. A bunch of contact pitchers (including your "elite" closer") with a team full of Kaz Matsui's behind them
 
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:26 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Actually Floyd Youmans the pitcher they traded for Carter was supposed to be the next Doc
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With a bit less fan fare, SNY and Citi aired a presentation of the 50 Greatest Mets from the same panel group that they got the All Time Team from:


1. Tom Seaver 2. Dwight Gooden 3. Keith Hernandez 4. Jerry Koosman 5. Darryl Strawberry
6. Mike Piazza 7. Carlos Beltran 8. David Wright 9. Jose Reyes 10. Gary Carter

11. Cleon Jones 12. Ron Darling 13. Edgardo Alfonzo 14. John Franco 15. Mookie Wilson
16. David Cone 17. Al Leiter 18. Jerry Grote 19. Howard Johnson 20. Bud Harrelson

21. Tommie Agee 22. Rusty Staub 23. Sid Fernandez 24. Jon Matlack 25. Jesse Orosco
26. Tug McGraw 27. Lenny Dykstra 28. Johan Santana 29. John Olerud 30. Todd Hundley

31. Robin Ventura 32. Lee Mazzilli 33. Felix Millan 34. Kevin McReynolds 35. Carlos Delgado
36. Ed Kranepool 37. Bob Ojeda 38. Frank Viola 39. Dave Kingman 40. Ron Swoboda

41. John Stearns 42. Wally Backman 43. Rick Reed 44. Roger McDowell 45. Hubie Brooks
46. Ray Knight 47. Ron Hunt 48. John Milner 49. Bobby Bonilla 50. Wayne Garrett
 
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Koosman number 4? That is a stretch, a big one.
 
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I find it interesting that on the All Time Team McGraw was selected, but in the Top 50 Ranking both Orosco and Franco are ahead of him.

Also not making the cut out of the ranks of the All-Time Team's nominees:
2B Doug Flynn
SS Rey Ordonez, Rafael Santana
LF Cliff Floyd, George Foster
LHP Reliever Randy Myers
RHP Reliever the whole ballot of Armando Benitez, Neil Allen and Skip Lockwood

Some obviously wouldn't, and shouldn't, belong on a Top 50 Mets list, it's just interesting to see them in the running at the positions and not making the Top 50 rankings.
 
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With a bit less fan fare, SNY and Citi aired a presentation of the 50 Greatest Mets from the same panel group that they got the All Time Team from:


1. Tom Seaver 2. Dwight Gooden 3. Keith Hernandez 4. Jerry Koosman 5. Darryl Strawberry
6. Mike Piazza 7. Carlos Beltran 8. David Wright 9. Jose Reyes 10. Gary Carter

11. Cleon Jones 12. Ron Darling 13. Edgardo Alfonzo 14. John Franco 15. Mookie Wilson
16. David Cone 17. Al Leiter 18. Jerry Grote 19. Howard Johnson 20. Bud Harrelson

21. Tommie Agee 22. Rusty Staub 23. Sid Fernandez 24. Jon Matlack 25. Jesse Orosco
26. Tug McGraw 27. Lenny Dykstra 28. Johan Santana 29. John Olerud 30. Todd Hundley

31. Robin Ventura 32. Lee Mazzilli 33. Felix Millan 34. Kevin McReynolds 35. Carlos Delgado
36. Ed Kranepool 37. Bob Ojeda 38. Frank Viola 39. Dave Kingman 40. Ron Swoboda

41. John Stearns 42. Wally Backman 43. Rick Reed 44. Roger McDowell 45. Hubie Brooks
46. Ray Knight 47. Ron Hunt 48. John Milner 49. Bobby Bonilla 50. Wayne Garrett
THAT just goes to show how awful this franchise has been historically.

In FIFTY ****ing years, THOSE are the 50 best Mets??

Seriously ---- what a mother****ing JOKE.

The Yankees have 50 Hall of Famers and/5+ time AllStars, MVPs.... We.. Have... THAT.
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Yeah, it's pretty pathetic.

Not a single MVP (although my brothers claim that Strawberry was absolutely robbed, having not seen it with my own eyes, I'll take their word for it).

Seaver and Gooden account for the only Cy Youngs, right?
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