Intruiging Trade Idea (from a Sox Fan)

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-30-2009, 02:31 PM

Saw this Sox fan's WATP with the Mets..

I'm Just Sayin': A future state of mind

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If the New York Mets suffer their third consecutive collapse, it will be time for them to somehow break up the “Big Three” and try to acquire some starting pitching to help out their one-man gang, Johan Santana.

Give the Mets a package of Ellsbury, Buchholz, Bowden, and Lowrie. And in return receive Reyes, then sign Holliday. The Red Sox would acquire an everyday leadoff hitter, a franchise shortstop (who’s only three months older than Ellsbury), and a bat to replace Ortiz. The Red Sox would answer three big holes while only giving up one player who’s currently making an impact with the major league club.

Buchholz and Bowden are top pitching prospects with a lot of value. They would undoubtedly be able to step right into a major league rotation, and more specifically, the Mets’ rotation, behind Santana.

At the same time, it remains to be seen when Buchholz and Bowden will be a part of Boston’s long-term plans. The Red Sox may even be reluctant to showcase the two arms for an extended period of time at the major-league level because of the risk that comes along with doing so.

Instead of risking a disaster, and decreasing their trade value (Buchholz already took a hit after going 2-9 with a 6.75 ERA in 15 starts with Boston last year), the Red Sox should package both Buchholz and Bowden with Ellsbury and Lowrie to try and acquire Reyes.

Discuss.

Sports Doctor · 06-30-2009, 02:36 PM

not interested

MetfanBren · 06-30-2009, 02:40 PM

Tough call. If you believe in the fickle nature of pitching prospects then no way. If you believe that Buchholz (and Bowden to a lesser extent) is for real then yes, but you pray to God that he stays healthy. Reyes probably scores 140 runs in that park with that team...

FYI, Buchholz is older than most people would think. He's 25, and less than a full year younger than Reyes....

Bay Ridge Dave · 06-30-2009, 02:44 PM

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Tough call.

Agreed.

Sports Doctor · 06-30-2009, 02:47 PM

I'd rather the Mets deal 5 mediocre guys for an all star, than the other way around

lgm6986 · 06-30-2009, 02:51 PM

Considering the Red Sox are the mirror image of the Mets, which is to say they are managed in an almost eerily competent, efficient, productive, successful fashion, if they would do it then I wouldn't if I were Omar.

mets84 · 06-30-2009, 02:58 PM

I don't think the Mets are in bad shape w/r/t starting pitching heading into the next 3-4 years. They've got Santana, they control Maine and Perez until 2011, Pelfrey until 2013 and they have promising talent in the upper levels of the farm system.

It's true that you can never have enough pitching, but trading for two more top pitching prospects might not be the best use of resources considering what the Mets already have and what they need. Trading Reyes is a gun with one bullet, and if they fire it I think they need to do so to acquire several top positional talents.

mets84 · 06-30-2009, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lgm6986

Considering the Red Sox are the mirror image of the Mets, which is to say they are managed in an almost eerily competent, efficient, productive, successful fashion, if they would do it then I wouldn't if I were Omar.

Pretty much this also. It should be concerning that the Sox appear terrified to expose these pitching prospects. Makes you think of the late 90s when teams would give up the moon and the stars for Yankee crap just because it came emblazoned with pinstripes.

tfc3rid · 06-30-2009, 03:05 PM

I'd take the deal... Lowrie and Ellsbury are young, very good prospects and every day position players.

Bucholz has already pitched a no hitter, there's just no room for him on the Sox roster...

I'd make the deal.

graves9 · 06-30-2009, 04:31 PM

No thanks. Lowrie is nothing special and Elssbury is a nice speed burner but adds nothing else. He hasn't been a real good impact player since his playoff run in '07. Even at his best he's not half the player Reyes is. Bucholtz is the only guy that I like and he's no sure thing.

graves9 · 06-30-2009, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tfc3rid

I'd take the deal... Lowrie and Ellsbury are young, very good prospects and every day position players.

Bucholz has already pitched a no hitter, there's just no room for him on the Sox roster...

I'd make the deal.

Ellsbury is a league average starting OF and we'll see what Lowrie is(it is possible he's nothing more than a utility guy)

metboy98 · 06-30-2009, 04:40 PM

Won't happen, Reyes wont be back anytime soon.

Randy Tate · 06-30-2009, 04:50 PM

Would you trade Reyes to the Nats for Ryan Zimmerman and move Wright to 1st? Off-season deal, of course.

MrHat · 06-30-2009, 06:25 PM

While I like Holt, Mejia, and I still think Niese will turn himself into a decent back end starter....the Mets need a lot more.

My hesitation on this kind of deal is that I'm not a fan of Buchholz at all and in general while I like Bowden I don't think he's anything more than a mid-rotation guy at best.

The rest of the guys in that deal are bench/role players at best.

Paulie Cee · 06-30-2009, 07:14 PM

Why would the Red Sox want to poison real team chemistry with spawn from the Meringue Squad? This is something dummies like the Yankees would do, not the Red Sox.

06-30-2009, 04:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
graves9 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 9,163	No thanks. Lowrie is nothing special and Elssbury is a nice speed burner but adds nothing else. He hasn't been a real good impact player since his playoff run in '07. Even at his best he's not half the player Reyes is. Bucholtz is the only guy that I like and he's no sure thing. __________________ Two years ago, in a Sports Illustrated cover story called "Mix Master," Mets general manager Omar Minaya boasted that his success came from ignoring sabermetrics, which he called "paperwork." "Look, if you want paperwork, I’m not your guy," Minaya told SI’s Gary Smith. "I see the job in bigger terms. Paperwork, that’s false hustle. It takes away creativity."

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Paulie Cee Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Well, we'll know in a month, you miserable shitstain. Posts: 6,590	Why would the Red Sox want to poison real team chemistry with spawn from the Meringue Squad? This is something dummies like the Yankees would do, not the Red Sox. __________________ "Diversity" is a difficulty to be overcome, not an advantage to be sought. True, America does a better job than most at accommodating a diverse population. We also do a better job at curing cancer and containing pollution. But no one goes around mindlessly exclaiming: "Cancer is a strength!" "Pollution is our greatest asset!" - Anne Coulter

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Sports Doctor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,861	not interested

06-30-2009, 02:40 PM	#3 (permalink)
MetfanBren Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pearl River, NY Posts: 5,253	Tough call. If you believe in the fickle nature of pitching prospects then no way. If you believe that Buchholz (and Bowden to a lesser extent) is for real then yes, but you pray to God that he stays healthy. Reyes probably scores 140 runs in that park with that team... FYI, Buchholz is older than most people would think. He's 25, and less than a full year younger than Reyes....

06-30-2009, 02:47 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sports Doctor Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,861	I'd rather the Mets deal 5 mediocre guys for an all star, than the other way around

06-30-2009, 02:51 PM	#6 (permalink)
lgm6986 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,271	Considering the Red Sox are the mirror image of the Mets, which is to say they are managed in an almost eerily competent, efficient, productive, successful fashion, if they would do it then I wouldn't if I were Omar.

06-30-2009, 03:05 PM	#9 (permalink)
tfc3rid Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,280	I'd take the deal... Lowrie and Ellsbury are young, very good prospects and every day position players. Bucholz has already pitched a no hitter, there's just no room for him on the Sox roster... I'd make the deal.

06-30-2009, 04:40 PM	#12 (permalink)
metboy98 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,525	Won't happen, Reyes wont be back anytime soon.

06-30-2009, 04:50 PM	#13 (permalink)
Randy Tate Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 526	Would you trade Reyes to the Nats for Ryan Zimmerman and move Wright to 1st? Off-season deal, of course.

06-30-2009, 06:25 PM	#14 (permalink)
MrHat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 4,384	While I like Holt, Mejia, and I still think Niese will turn himself into a decent back end starter....the Mets need a lot more. My hesitation on this kind of deal is that I'm not a fan of Buchholz at all and in general while I like Bowden I don't think he's anything more than a mid-rotation guy at best. The rest of the guys in that deal are bench/role players at best.

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