Can Ohman or Beimel still be had cheap? - Page 3

86mets · 02-05-2009, 05:14 PM

When you have Orlando Hudson and another name, that because of the $hitty market, in Orlando Cabrera(rumored to be considering shifting to 2b inorder to get a job)STILL LOOKING for a job...the 2rd tier backups ala Grudz and Durham /Aurila should be to the point of accepting practically anything at this point especially with the $$ becoming harder to come by..and if the Mets have to sub for an inevitable bum Craptillo and have shown a willingness to allow an IF with little experience to man the position(SEE Valentin)..then I see no reason they shouldn't give the job to an aurilia type if need be..heck..in an emergency..they SHOULD be letting Murphy give it a crack too in ST...but thats barking up the wrong tree around here..

MetfanBren · 02-05-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHat

Holt was a first round pick wasnt he? At this point wouldnt the Mets be giving up what for all practical purposes is a 2nd rounder (45+) pick?

I don't know if he or K-Rod is ranked higher, but yeah, they would be giving up the second round pick either way. Holt was a compensation pick, but thought by some to be an overdraft like Kunz. Smith was a third round pick...

They did take the best available starter (Vineyard) right after Kunz too. Unfortunately he seems to have fallen off the face of the earth...

Bay Ridge Dave · 02-05-2009, 05:34 PM

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Durham or Grudzielanek

Either one, IMO, can easily unseat Castillo at 2B. But my feeling is that is what the Mets do NOT want. I really think they have deluded themselves into thinking Castillo will be any good.

Mex17 · 02-05-2009, 06:39 PM

How did this turn into a thread about second base?

Bay Ridge Dave · 02-05-2009, 06:43 PM

Mets sign Dessens to minor league deal : All Things Rockies Colorado

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Former Rockies continue to find jobs as spring training approaches. Pitcher Elmer Dessens, who gulped up some important innings for the 2007 NL pennant winning club, signed a $600,000-minor-league deal with the Mets. He’s guaranteed $72,000.

Dessens has pitched in the rotation and bullpen during his nine-year career.

Gregory Gewirtz · 02-05-2009, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Dave

Mets sign Dessens to minor league deal : All Things Rockies Colorado

Harmless I suppose, but this guy is done.

Elmer Dessens Stats, News, Photos - Atlanta Braves - ESPN

graves9 · 02-05-2009, 06:57 PM

Gulped up Important innings? Dessens hasn't gotten anyone out in years and years. The writer must have fallen asleep when Dessens was pitching.

No.1 · 02-05-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mex17

How did this turn into a thread about second base?

The original topic battled...

Bay Ridge Dave · 02-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Ohman might be headed back to ATL...

The_Kings_of_Quit · 02-07-2009, 12:23 PM

METS WON'T 'GUARANTEE' BIG NAME FOR 'PEN - New York Post

Hey, the Mets don't need a proven reliever in the bullpen. They figure, if they sign someone who has proven to be successful at their craft, there won't be any reason for the other pieces of career-failed crap they signed to minor league deals to 'compete' in spring training. That is their actual philosophy. With THIS bullpen, which has failed them miserably over the past two seasons, costing them easy playoff appearances.

How can a plan like that possibly fail?

This effing team's management is hilarious.

Bay Ridge Dave · 02-07-2009, 02:58 PM

I'm telling you, this is an 85 win team....

MrHat · 02-07-2009, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kings_of_Quit

METS WON'T 'GUARANTEE' BIG NAME FOR 'PEN - New York Post

Hey, the Mets don't need a proven reliever in the bullpen. They figure, if they sign someone who has proven to be successful at their craft, there won't be any reason for the other pieces of career-failed crap they signed to minor league deals to 'compete' in spring training. That is their actual philosophy. With THIS bullpen, which has failed them miserably over the past two seasons, costing them easy playoff appearances.

How can a plan like that possibly fail?

This effing team's management is hilarious.

Honestly I would agree with Omar's plan if the bullpen hadn't been absolute **** for 2 years running.

Lets face it, in 2006 they brought in mostly guys who were unheard of and/or highly mediocre. Oliver, Bradford, Feliciano...these were all pretty much scrap heap guys. Sanchez was a trade that got little fan fare and he was expected to be a solid guy for middle relief but hardly what he turned into.

However after watching the last 2 seasons how they can try to justify sitting on their hands now is an absolute joke.

Bay Ridge Dave · 02-07-2009, 03:09 PM

I can understand the money excuse for punking out on trying to get Manny, but you really have to be alarmed when they are even nickel and diming important spots on the team, that probably will not cost (such as a real 2B, or additional pen arm) much.

And to follow what Hat posted, Omar still thinks he could live off his good luck from 2006. The "throw sh!t at wall and see if it sticks" plan hasn't worked for two years now... for the bench AND the pen.

85 wins.

The_Kings_of_Quit · 02-08-2009, 04:43 PM

Well, let's be fair. It's not like JJ Putz could get INJURED or anything, which would pretty much decimate the pen to 2007/2008 levels all over again.

They're banking on a guy that had some major injury concerns last season pretty hard.

Led, the Revenge · 02-08-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MrHat

Honestly I would agree with Omar's plan if the bullpen hadn't been absolute **** for 2 years running.

Lets face it, in 2006 they brought in mostly guys who were unheard of and/or highly mediocre. Oliver, Bradford, Feliciano...these were all pretty much scrap heap guys. Sanchez was a trade that got little fan fare and he was expected to be a solid guy for middle relief but hardly what he turned into.

However after watching the last 2 seasons how they can try to justify sitting on their hands now is an absolute joke.

Agreed, and you and I were the ones saying he was better off going that route than bringing in the dreck he did for the '07 season. And IIRC there weren't the options available that offseason that there are remaining now, of which the Mets could get at a cheaper rate than usual. If they had a lock down bullpen I could understand this, but (theoretically) outside of Rodriguez every other pitcher in that bullpen has big question marks about how they'll perform this season. As much as Minaya thinks he fixed things by scapegoating just the white relievers, Sanchez and Feliciano were just as key in the bullpen implosion.

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86mets Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poconos, PA Posts: 4,551	When you have Orlando Hudson and another name, that because of the $hitty market, in Orlando Cabrera(rumored to be considering shifting to 2b inorder to get a job)STILL LOOKING for a job...the 2rd tier backups ala Grudz and Durham /Aurila should be to the point of accepting practically anything at this point especially with the $$ becoming harder to come by..and if the Mets have to sub for an inevitable bum Craptillo and have shown a willingness to allow an IF with little experience to man the position(SEE Valentin)..then I see no reason they shouldn't give the job to an aurilia type if need be..heck..in an emergency..they SHOULD be letting Murphy give it a crack too in ST...but thats barking up the wrong tree around here.. __________________ ACCEPTED TRUTH: That I will be ROYALLY FCKED OVER by EVERY TEAM I ROOT FOR (METS, JETS & KNICKS) !!! Citifield & Mets...the place where Sluggers Careers go to DIE"**

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graves9 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 13,921	Gulped up Important innings? Dessens hasn't gotten anyone out in years and years. The writer must have fallen asleep when Dessens was pitching. __________________ For the Wright haters. Wright's career numbers with runners on 2nd and 3rd .343/.481/.600 /1.081 Runner on 3rd, less than 2 out .419/.431/.671/1.102

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The_Kings_of_Quit Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9,072	METS WON'T 'GUARANTEE' BIG NAME FOR 'PEN - New York Post Hey, the Mets don't need a proven reliever in the bullpen. They figure, if they sign someone who has proven to be successful at their craft, there won't be any reason for the other pieces of career-failed crap they signed to minor league deals to 'compete' in spring training. That is their actual philosophy. With THIS bullpen, which has failed them miserably over the past two seasons, costing them easy playoff appearances. How can a plan like that possibly fail? This effing team's management is hilarious. __________________ Hey, at least we get to watch younger, cheaper players embarrass us night after night.

02-08-2009, 04:43 PM	#44 (permalink)
The_Kings_of_Quit Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9,072	Well, let's be fair. It's not like JJ Putz could get INJURED or anything, which would pretty much decimate the pen to 2007/2008 levels all over again. They're banking on a guy that had some major injury concerns last season pretty hard. __________________ Hey, at least we get to watch younger, cheaper players embarrass us night after night.

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02-05-2009, 06:39 PM	#34 (permalink)
Mex17 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 922	How did this turn into a thread about second base?

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Bay Ridge Dave Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Noneya! Posts: 20,875	Ohman might be headed back to ATL...

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Bay Ridge Dave Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Noneya! Posts: 20,875	I'm telling you, this is an 85 win team....

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Bay Ridge Dave Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Noneya! Posts: 20,875	I can understand the money excuse for punking out on trying to get Manny, but you really have to be alarmed when they are even nickel and diming important spots on the team, that probably will not cost (such as a real 2B, or additional pen arm) much. And to follow what Hat posted, Omar still thinks he could live off his good luck from 2006. The "throw sh!t at wall and see if it sticks" plan hasn't worked for two years now... for the bench AND the pen. 85 wins.

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