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Old 09-30-2008, 10:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Chalk the 2008 season up to injuries?

Pedro
El Duque
Alou
Castillo
Pagan
Wagner
Maine
Tatis
Church
Easely
Heilman
Castro
Chavez

Did I forget anyone else that missed playing time? They basically played most of the year with one OF and finished the season with no closer or setup man. The lineup from 6-9 was a carousel of losers. No team can be competitive with this many major injuries.

The bigger question was why were so many over-the-hill, injury-prone players on the roster? Please let us know, Omar.
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Old 09-30-2008, 10:46 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Sadly, it would make a good case if most of them weren't past their prime or just flat out mediocre. Which leads to the most important part of the post, your last question. Sadly, Omar probably doesn't have an answer other than: "Those are my boyws. knowwhatI'm..."

Drafting with the plan to avoid the most expensive top impact talents combined with aaaa players and career losers is not a winning recipe. Hopefully in year FIVE of his tenure he will figure this out.
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Chalk the 07 season up to injuries..


Pedro
Alou
El Duque
Valentin
Castro
Sanchez
LoDuca
Easley
etc...


Chalk the 06 postseason up to injuries

Pedro
El Duque
Floyd
etc...


Injuries happen.....good teams have depth and overcome those
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Old 09-30-2008, 12:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think the Mets had more injuries than any other contending team. Phillie injuries were pretty tame compared to the Mets. I agree they had zero depth, but in many cases that is because both the starters and the backups got injured at the same time.

The bullpen was awful to begin with. They were even worse when Wagner went down.

BTW - look at these cripple's ages:

Pedro: 37 later this month
Alou: 42
El Duque: 39 later this month (probably even older)
Tatis: 33
Castro: 32
Wagner: 37
Easley: 39 in November
Castillo: 33
Delgado: 36


Omar should be taken out back and shot, along with these players. It is a huge disgrace if he is allowed to keep his job.

BTW - is it a coincidence that 8 of these 9 are Latino ballplayers? KnowWhatI'msayin'?
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Boo friggin hoo. All teams have injuries. A far less loaded Tampa Bay lost Crawford and Longoria and managed to gut it out.

Besides, as Francessa ranted yesterday, The "Big 4" played in 159 games a piece and Santana didn't miss a start. Injuries didn't cause this.
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**** you and your injuries list.
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Only the Yankees have injuries, which is amazing considering the drastic youth movement they supposedly implemented this year...
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Pedro Omar shoulda known
El Duque Omar shoulda known
Alou Omar shoulda known
Castillo Omar shoulda known
Pagan This counts
Wagner That hurt
Maine That hurt
Tatis He was slowing down, might count still
Church That hurt
Easely That hurt
Heilman Was it affecting him or not?
Castro That hurt
Chavez Meh

Did I forget anyone else that missed playing time? They basically played most of the year with one OF and finished the season with no closer or setup man. The lineup from 6-9 was a carousel of losers. No team can be competitive with this many major injuries.

The bigger question was why were so many over-the-hill, injury-prone players on the roster? Please let us know, Omar.
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The point isn't the injuries themselves. The point is that Omar built this team around too many players that were old and injury prone. Yes, the big 4 played in almost every game and put up good stats. What about the rest of the lineup? How do you compete with one starting OF all year?
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The point isn't the injuries themselves. The point is that Omar built this team around too many players that were old and injury prone. Yes, the big 4 played in almost every game and put up good stats. What about the rest of the lineup? How do you compete with one starting OF all year?
I think most people would do both deals over again in a heartbeat, but the next time the Mets have three viable OF prospects like Milledge, Gomez, and Martinez, everyone shouldn't be so quick to label it a surplus. Thank God Martinez wasn't included in the Santana deal like some wanted...
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I think most people would do both deals over again in a heartbeat, but the next time the Mets have three viable OF prospects like Milledge, Gomez, and Martinez, everyone shouldn't be so quick to label it a surplus. Thank God Martinez wasn't included in the Santana deal like some wanted...
A little premature on that one. If you want to say pelfrey then, yes I would agree, but let's let fernando play in the bigs before we annoint him.
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I think most people would do both deals over again in a heartbeat, but the next time the Mets have three viable OF prospects like Milledge, Gomez, and Martinez, everyone shouldn't be so quick to label it a surplus. Thank God Martinez wasn't included in the Santana deal like some wanted...
I still would not do the Church Schneider Milledge deal

This deal was supposed to help us win this year and it didnt. Schneider was a dud as I had predicted... and Church is mediocre, people can say "He was injured" thats a great excuse to make the same mistake and think the guy is any good next year. He simply was coming back down to earth and KILLED this team down the stretch. Both guys waste of salary and will make no contribution long term. Lets just hope Minaya can get rid of these last place losers
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A little premature on that one. If you want to say pelfrey then, yes I would agree, but let's let fernando play in the bigs before we annoint him.
I'm not anointing him, but he still has great value. It's scary to think what the system would look like without him...
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I still would not do the Church Schneider Milledge deal

This deal was supposed to help us win this year and it didnt. Schneider was a dud as I had predicted... and Church is mediocre, people can say "He was injured" thats a great excuse to make the same mistake and think the guy is any good next year. He simply was coming back down to earth and KILLED this team down the stretch. Both guys waste of salary and will make no contribution long term. Lets just hope Minaya can get rid of these last place losers
I say the answer is inbetween on Church. Even in previous seasons he was a better hitter than he was after his return in the last month or so. I believe he's not as bad as we were seeing, yet also not as good as we saw at the start of the season.
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Church did as much damage to this team in September (.209) as any other player. Nothing like striking out 6 times in a row during the last weekend.
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