MetfanBren

He more than came back down to earth, which is why a lot of people will blame it on the concussions. The power that's always been there (especially doubles) went away completely when he returned. He's probably not as good as his first couple of months, but he's not nearly as bad as his last two either. I think he's capable of something a little better than the .813 OPS he put up in 2007 if healthy, which is not that bad when you factor in plus defense. But you don't just go from 43 doubles in 470 AB's to 14 in 319 AB's unless something ain't right...

As for Milledge, his performance and potential haven't been worth the baggage he brings. Outside of a hot August he was plain horrible. If he can't develop in Washington where nobody cares he wouldn't stand a chance in NY...

Voodoo

And one of the announcers was saying that he hangs out with Dukes a lot. That's encouraging.

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Sports Doctor

Milledge is a 23 year old kid. Church is a 30 year old man.

FrankStylV7

Milledge is a child molester who should have a bracelet around his ankle tied back into a central database to make sure that he doesn't get anywhere junior high school proms and he never works hard always showing up late to practice and Floyd had to reprimand him for having no work ethic so good riddance to bad rubbish **** him and his stupid CRap video he's an ass who sucks ass on the back of another ass - donkey - heh heh heh

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Sports Doctor

He was a 16 yr old with a 14 year old. I figured living in kansas you'd be used to that type of thing anyway Frank

Gregory Gewirtz

Was the injury expected or not?
Pedro: expected
El Duque: expected
Alou: expected
Castillo: expected
Pagan: not obvious, but who gives a fig?
Wagner: not completely obvious, but aging
Maine: not obvious, but sh-- happens
Tatis: not obvious, but should not have been a big deal
Church: not obvious, horribly mistreated
Easely: who cares / 80 years old
Heilman: not obvious, but a relatively small piece of the puzzle
Castro: expected
Chavez: who cares?

Exactly, and even a hint of actual depth would have tided the Mets over.

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MetfanBren

He has 873 major league AB's. He's not a kid on the field anymore unless he's giving the fans high fives or showing up the other team, which he's nowhere near good enough to do. Like I said, his baggage is not worth it to the Mets, and to think he would develop into anything better than what Church did in 2007 here would be foolish...

Sports Doctor

Im talking about physical power

Bay Ridge Dave

Church was never 100%.

IMO, he really needed to sit out the season, and be fully rested and ready for 2009.

MrHat

Problem with Church is much like this year, the Mets cannot go into the season expect to get 160 productive games out of him since he's still an unknown. Was the start of this year a coming out party or just a hot streak that would have faded even without the injury? They need someone...ready to at least platoon with him.

If Evans and Tatis are around thats probably fine (but dont bet on Tatis being as good), especially with Martinez still around, but then LF better have a fulltime, known commodity there.

I've said before I'd love to see a guy like a Raul Ibanez there. Yeah he's another lefty bat, but he's held his own against lefties...career .270 hitter vs. them. Just a steady, professional bat, and a guy that is a team player. He's a career .305 hitter WRISP, is used to playing in a pitchers park, he has the right last name for Omar, and was born in NY. Just a really good fit if they can basically give him Alou's 8-9 mil

MetfanBren

Milledge's problem isn't physical power. He has ridiculous bat speed, but big league pitchers know he can't lay off the breaking ball in the dirt. Getting stronger isn't going to help that, and neither would 50,000 booing fans in NY...

Gregory Gewirtz

Excellent post.

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Lon Chaney

This thread is a joke, right?

Reyes, Wright, Beltran and Delgado all played in more than 158 games.

Santana, Ollie, and Pelfrey didn't miss a start.

Injuries? The core of this team was in place from April to September. Face it; they are bunch of losers who fold under any type of pressure (with the exceptance of Johan).

MetfanBren

Space cadet Ollie missed just about every start that wasn't against the Yankees, Braves, or Phillies. He doesn't fold under pressure, but he usually mails it in when there is none. The Mets probably could have gotten more wins against those crappy teams from Armas, Vargas, and Fig...

FrankStylV7

This has been discussed ad nauseum --- 17/12 with suspicions of several more 12/13s.

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