Lohse 4/41

joshuahist · 09-30-2008, 09:04 AM

Lohse agrees to $41 million, 4-year deal - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

swataz · 09-30-2008, 10:36 AM

Don't worry, we've got El Duque.

MrHat · 09-30-2008, 10:51 AM

Holy jeebus....forget bringing back Perez then. He'll demand 6/75 and get it from someone if Lohse can get that kind of cheese.

Voodoo · 09-30-2008, 11:00 AM

Lohse pitched better than Perez, but it wasn't in NY, so in Boras' world that means you multiply Lohse's ERA by 2 and judge Ollie's salary from there.

MrHat · 09-30-2008, 11:03 AM

This year yes....however Lohse is also 30, not a lefty, and this was his first season with an era below about 4.50.

freakzilla11 · 09-30-2008, 11:06 AM

Perez will get 80 million.

Hopefully not from the Mets. I'd rather have a steady 13-10 pitcher in here than Perez and his bipolar 15 wins.

Mets4eva21 · 09-30-2008, 11:07 AM

this is crazy. ollie is gonna demand alot of dough from the mets. so long ollie. enter niese!

metman · 09-30-2008, 11:18 AM

I'd rather overpay for a talented lefty who CAN throw a no hitter any given day (unless he walks 44) than a no talent middle teir career loser who will save $30m over a few years.

Perez is flaky and not a sure thing, I am well aware of this. But he also has more impact ability than most pitchers on the market, is 27 and won't have the pressure of living up to a contract after this year. I say at least make an offer.

Sometimes, it's best to overpay on real talent and regret it later than it is to invest anything in mediocrity.

lgm6986 · 09-30-2008, 11:36 AM

Perez isn't far enough from being a mediocrity himself that I'd offer anything close to what he's probably going to get. Offer arbitration, hopefully draft the next David Wright (and double hopefully this one will be able to get a runner home from 3rd with nobody out) and watch Ollie's schizophrenia manifest itself every five days elsewhere.

joshuahist · 09-30-2008, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lgm6986

Perez isn't far enough from being a mediocrity himself that I'd offer anything close to what he's probably going to get. Offer arbitration, hopefully draft the next David Wright (and double hopefully this one will be able to get a runner home from 3rd with nobody out) and watch Ollie's schizophrenia manifest itself every five days elsewhere.

Absolutely. Someone will sign him for big money, and hopefully the mets use their pick wisely to get someone useful.

MetfanBren · 09-30-2008, 01:29 PM

I would be a lot less inclined to offer Perez if he's not a type A, which is possible in a pretty good free agent year for pitchers. If he's a type A it's a no-brainer, and hopefully he goes somewhere out of the top 15. The Mets probably won't have a first round pick next year, but they've landed in Baseball purgatory, not good enough for the playoffs but too good for a protected pick...

FrankStylV7 · 09-30-2008, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by MetfanBren

I would be a lot less inclined to offer Perez if he's not a type A, which is possible in a pretty good free agent year for pitchers. If he's a type A it's a no-brainer, and hopefully he goes somewhere out of the top 15. The Mets probably won't have a first round pick next year, but they've landed in Baseball purgatory, not good enough for the playoffs but too good for a protected pick...

He's gotta be a Type A.

When do the categories get posted?

MetfanBren · 09-30-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

He's gotta be a Type A.

When do the categories get posted?

Not sure, but players can't file until after the WS. I could see these guys being ahead of Perez though. Even with his decent seasons the last two years, he's still 25-28 over the last three years, with a 5.02 ERA in only 392 innings. The arbiter that gave him seven million is obviously an idiot, but he doesn't decide these things...

Kris Benson PHI
A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out)
Paul Byrd BOS
Ryan Dempster CHC
Jon Garland LAA
Tom Glavine ATL
Mike Hampton * ATL
Rich Harden * CHC
Orlando Hernandez NYM
Jason Jennings TEX
Randy Johnson ARZ
John Lackey * LAA
Esteban Loaiza CHW
Braden Looper STL
Derek Lowe LAD
Pedro Martinez NYM
Mike Mussina NYY
Jamie Moyer PHI
Mark Mulder * STL
Carl Pavano NYY
Brad Penny * LAD
Odalis Perez WAS
Oliver Perez NYM
Andy Pettitte NYY
Mark Prior SD
Horacio Ramirez CHW
C.C. Sabathia MIL
Ben Sheets MIL
John Smoltz * ATL
Julian Tavarez ATL
Steve Trachsel BAL
Brett Tomko SD
Claudio Vargas MIL
Randy Wolf HOU

graves9 · 09-30-2008, 02:15 PM

Derek Lowe (and his agent) have got to be doing cartwheels over this contract. Lowe is a hall of famer compared to Lohse. Plus he's got a chance to cash in even more with another big October. I am hoping the Mets make a run at Lowe this offseason.

Bay Ridge Dave · 09-30-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by graves9

Derek Lowe (and his agent) have got to be doing cartwheels over this contract. Lowe is a hall of famer compared to Lohse. Plus he's got a chance to cash in even more with another big October. I am hoping the Mets make a run at Lowe this offseason.

Perfect 4th starter, IMO. Someone who really eats innings, and effective at the same time.

I don't think CC or Sheets are coming here. If anything, Sheets is probably the more realistic of the two, but his injury history is scary.

09-30-2008, 09:04 AM	#1 (permalink)
joshuahist Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 682	Lohse 4/41 Lohse agrees to $41 million, 4-year deal - MLB - Yahoo! Sports __________________ "Managing is getting paid for home runs someone else hits." - New York Mets Manager (1962-1965) Casey Stengel

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swataz Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Under a rock Posts: 2,898	Don't worry, we've got El Duque. __________________ www.DiscussGlobalWarming.com - Where do YOU stand?

09-30-2008, 11:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Voodoo Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 6,396	Lohse pitched better than Perez, but it wasn't in NY, so in Boras' world that means you multiply Lohse's ERA by 2 and judge Ollie's salary from there. __________________ Anxiously awaiting Omar's brilliant offseason strategy

09-30-2008, 11:18 AM	#8 (permalink)
metman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,656	I'd rather overpay for a talented lefty who CAN throw a no hitter any given day (unless he walks 44) than a no talent middle teir career loser who will save $30m over a few years. Perez is flaky and not a sure thing, I am well aware of this. But he also has more impact ability than most pitchers on the market, is 27 and won't have the pressure of living up to a contract after this year. I say at least make an offer. Sometimes, it's best to overpay on real talent and regret it later than it is to invest anything in mediocrity. __________________ SHUT Your FESTERING GOB...You TIT!

09-30-2008, 02:15 PM	#14 (permalink)
graves9 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hard at work Posts: 5,474	Derek Lowe (and his agent) have got to be doing cartwheels over this contract. Lowe is a hall of famer compared to Lohse. Plus he's got a chance to cash in even more with another big October. I am hoping the Mets make a run at Lowe this offseason. __________________ Republicans believe every day is the Fourth of July, but the democrats believe every day is April 15. Ronald Reagan

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09-30-2008, 10:51 AM	#3 (permalink)
MrHat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,852	Holy jeebus....forget bringing back Perez then. He'll demand 6/75 and get it from someone if Lohse can get that kind of cheese.

09-30-2008, 11:03 AM	#5 (permalink)
MrHat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,852	This year yes....however Lohse is also 30, not a lefty, and this was his first season with an era below about 4.50.

09-30-2008, 11:36 AM	#9 (permalink)
lgm6986 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,959	Perez isn't far enough from being a mediocrity himself that I'd offer anything close to what he's probably going to get. Offer arbitration, hopefully draft the next David Wright (and double hopefully this one will be able to get a runner home from 3rd with nobody out) and watch Ollie's schizophrenia manifest itself every five days elsewhere.

09-30-2008, 01:29 PM	#11 (permalink)
MetfanBren Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pearl River, NY Posts: 3,666	I would be a lot less inclined to offer Perez if he's not a type A, which is possible in a pretty good free agent year for pitchers. If he's a type A it's a no-brainer, and hopefully he goes somewhere out of the top 15. The Mets probably won't have a first round pick next year, but they've landed in Baseball purgatory, not good enough for the playoffs but too good for a protected pick...

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