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No.1 · 09-30-2008, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MetfanBren

Don't you think CC is a bit of a risk for six years and $20 million, which he could probably get more than?

Probably?! Look at Santana's deal. He's getting 20M next year alone. And his payroll's going up by the year. Of course CC's getting more.

FrankStylV7 · 09-30-2008, 06:08 PM

As much as I love CC in a completely heterosexual male non-erotic way - his workload and weight in recent years screams breakdown a la Bartolo Colon.

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 06:12 PM

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1972 - Present: Sterling Equities (SE) was founded by Fred Wilpon & Saul Katz as a vehicle to develop and invest in real estate. Since 1972 SE and its affiliates have purchased or developed over 17.0 million SF of commercial property, 45,000 residential units, 8.5 million SF of retail property and three major sports complexes. SE has evolved over the last three decades into a diverse family of companies focused on the creation of wealth and preservation of capital.

$600 million annually. Nah, they are broke.

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

As much as I love CC in a completely heterosexual male non-erotic way - his workload and weight in recent years screams breakdown a la Bartolo Colon.

Saying that does make sense.

Saying the Mets don't have the money makes you look foolish.

No.1 · 09-30-2008, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepleft34

$600 million annually. Nah, they are broke.

Yes. THAT'S what I said.

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MetfanBren

Don't you think CC is a bit of a risk for six years and $20 million, which he could probably get more than? The guy ain't getting any skinnier, and his arm isn't getting any less abused. Nobody can say how these things will work out because they could change any second, but I would feel a lot more confident in Santana's ability to stay healthy than CC's. He's a piece of meat to the Brewers, and that's how they've treated him...

As for Burnett, that one has disaster written all over it. He hasn't earned his contract from Toronto, and now you want to give him even more years at a much larger salary when he's three years older?

My feeling is that w/ the Yanks missing the playoffs, the Dodgers (who aren't going to win it all, but come close) getting better, the Angels (who are probably lose to the Cubs) also interested...that those guys mentioned are going to get paid BIG TIME.

Of Course I don't like CC's work load this year, but surround him with type flight, quality starters and maybe he actually gets the rest he needs.

I have always beena fan of Burnett and SOMEONE is going to entice him with a big contract...why not us.

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by No.1

Yes. THAT'S what I said.

No, this is what you said

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Originally Posted by by someone who apparently does need 10 years exp.

Gee, I don't know maybe because THIS ISN'T ****ING MONOPOLY DUMB***!! The ownership isn't the Yankees organization. They don't have that kind of money even WITH the new stadium

Just peruse this website:
Sterling Equities

It'll make you sick just how much money the Wilpons have. I'd gather to say they may have more money than the Steinbrenner's. The Steinbrenner's make a boatload of their money off of the Yankees, though. The Wilpon's make enough off of the Mets to satisfy the balance sheet...and that is what pisses me off about not spending money and confounds nme when people like yourself say this organization DOESN'T have the $$$.

No.1 · 09-30-2008, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepleft34

No, this is what you said

Just peruse this website:
Sterling Equities

It'll make you sick just how much money the Wilpons have. I'd gather to say they may have more money than the Steinbrenner's. The Steinbrenner's make a boatload of their money off of the Yankees, though. The Wilpon's make enough off of the Mets to satisfy the balance sheet...and that is what pisses me off about not spending money and confounds nme when people like yourself say this organization DOESN'T have the $$$.

Again, they don't have that kind of money to pay three pitchers who will cost 25+mil, 20+, and 18+ mil a year. You can show all the money they make over their real estate company. There is a reason why the Yanks are the only team spending 200 million while many teams who are making just as much as Wilpon or more isn't coming close to 150mil. Wake up. Only the Yanks spend like the Yanks.

And that's just the Wilpon's own money. Those other teams you mentioned...will want those pitchers and are damn willing to pay much more than the Mets want. Furthermore, This team as TOO many problems to do that.

Your plan IS fantasy baseball at best.

MetfanBren · 09-30-2008, 06:35 PM

Supposedly CC wants to play on the West Coast. If I were the Angels and I couldn't sign K-Rod and Teixeira I'd make a major play for him. They have a great pen they can find a closer in, and they're still very high on Kendry Morales at 1B. Moreno can compete with the Yankees with all that coming off the books if he wants too...

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by No.1

Again, they don't have that kind of money to pay three pitchers who will cost 25+mil, 20+, and 18+ mil a year. You can show all the money they make over their real estate company. There is a reason why the Yanks are the only team spending 200 million while many teams who are making just as much as Wilpon or more isn't coming close to 150mil. Wake up. Only the Yanks spend like the Yanks.

And that's just the Wilpon's own money. Those other teams you mentioned...will want those pitchers and are damn willing to pay much more than the Mets want. Furthermore, This team as TOO many problems to do that.

Your plan IS fantasy baseball at best.

Wah, only the yanks, Wah!
I think a PAyroll of $150 million is fair to ask in today's world w/ what the Wilpons are making.
Aside from pitching a LF, what other problems haven't I covered in this thread? I can ask the Wilpon's to sell to someone WILLING to spend their dough...but that would be another thread.

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 07:15 PM

Also, I think I tried to cover OTHER teams wanting the same pitchers by putting VERY HIGH price tags on the people I mentioned, meaning the Mets would have won the bidding war.

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MetfanBren

Don't you think CC is a bit of a risk for six years and $20 million, which he could probably get more than? The guy ain't getting any skinnier, and his arm isn't getting any less abused. Nobody can say how these things will work out because they could change any second, but I would feel a lot more confident in Santana's ability to stay healthy than CC's. He's a piece of meat to the Brewers, and that's how they've treated him...

As for Burnett, that one has disaster written all over it. He hasn't earned his contract from Toronto, and now you want to give him even more years at a much larger salary when he's three years older?

I don't understand this here:
CC is a risk at 6 years 20 per, but he could probably get more than that?

If he is a risk, why would teams give him more than that?
Has he ever been a risk before , or are we going off his last 3 months body of work?
Burnett on the other hand has had injuries, but SOME team is going to pay him and look at how dominant he has been recently.

krunchyfrogg · 09-30-2008, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Deepleft34

If he is a risk, why would teams give him more than that?

Uhh, because they want him. Didn't the Mets give Pedro a contract they knew would probably suck in the 4th year (unfortunately for the Mets, he sucked in the 3rd and 4th years)?

mikeymoves · 09-30-2008, 07:39 PM

Cocksucker

Deepleft34 · 09-30-2008, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by krunchyfrogg

Uhh, because they want him. Didn't the Mets give Pedro a contract they knew would probably suck in the 4th year (unfortunately for the Mets, he sucked in the 3rd and 4th years)?

It was rhetorical.

09-30-2008, 06:08 PM	#32 (permalink)
FrankStylV7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Up your Mom's filthy snatch Posts: 6,888	As much as I love CC in a completely heterosexual male non-erotic way - his workload and weight in recent years screams breakdown a la Bartolo Colon. __________________ meta is meruder. sweete delivious mruedure.

09-30-2008, 07:15 PM	#41 (permalink)
Deepleft34 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: The Wilpons are broke! Posts: 2,077	Also, I think I tried to cover OTHER teams wanting the same pitchers by putting VERY HIGH price tags on the people I mentioned, meaning the Mets would have won the bidding war. __________________ I'm Deepleft34 and I approve this post. The answer to any question in the English language: How about Roberto Alomar? and, Fixed

09-30-2008, 07:39 PM	#44 (permalink)
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09-30-2008, 06:35 PM	#39 (permalink)
MetfanBren Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pearl River, NY Posts: 3,666	Supposedly CC wants to play on the West Coast. If I were the Angels and I couldn't sign K-Rod and Teixeira I'd make a major play for him. They have a great pen they can find a closer in, and they're still very high on Kendry Morales at 1B. Moreno can compete with the Yankees with all that coming off the books if he wants too...

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