Pudge Wants Mets, and They Should Get Him - Page 2

Bay Ridge Dave · 09-29-2008, 09:09 PM

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It should also be mentioned that like Carlos Beltran and Carlos Delgado, Rodriguez is from Puerto Rico, and should make it easier for the veteran to take over the clubhouse.

Aren't we trying to get AWAY from this sort of thing?

krunchyfrogg · 09-29-2008, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Dave

Aren't we trying to get AWAY from this sort of thing?

Look at your avatar. WE might want that, but the GM gets the players.

No.1 · 09-29-2008, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Dave

Aren't we trying to get AWAY from this sort of thing?

But WE want a change on the team from the top too...

We can't always get what we want

Mark Healey · 09-29-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Dave

Aren't we trying to get AWAY from this sort of thing?

Well, look...all i am saying is that if the status quo is what it is, and Pudge has contacted the Mets, I can think of worse things the Mets could do...like Yorvit torrealba for 3 years

Bay Ridge Dave · 09-29-2008, 09:27 PM

Has Cerrone joined the "dark side"...

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That said, thinking off of the top of my head, most important, the Mets need to field a team we, as fans, can be excited about and enjoy cheering for again. There are now too many people on this current roster who lots of fans just do not like. There are too many people who we do not trust. What’s more, the Mets need to look in the mirror, think about what has excited this fanbase in the past, and play to their base.

My hunch is that, in our heart of hearts, fans do not want to trade Wright or Reyes. These are our players, our home-grown stars, and, while Reyes was booed last September, and Wright this September, I do not think fans have totally soured on them. At the same time, they are not the reason the Mets have failed, and I believe their best seasons are still ahead of them.

Instead, as I said this morning, I believe the team must turn the page and re-fuel, not by trading Wright and Reyes, but by propping them up in to leadership roles. Make this their team. If they’re so great, let them prove it. The time has come to let them either lead this organization to the top of the mountain, or in to the abyss – either way, they’re the Captians.

In Wright and Reyes, along with Johan Santana and Carlos Beltran, and John Maine and Mike Pelfrey, and eventually Daniel Murphy, the Mets will have a tough, exciting, young nucleus with experience, who I believe are ready to take over this city.

At the same time, I believe the Mets should cut ties with Carlos Delgado, Orlando Hernandez, Castillo, Heilman, Schoeneweis, Damion Easley, Marlon Anderson, Oliver Perez, Moises Alou, Pedro Martinez, and others.

In their place, the Mets need to focus on filling in with role players with a reputation for being consistent and hard-working, even if they do not have the best stats on the market. This is not fantasy baseball. The ability to accumulate salary, age, on-paper talent, ticket sales and ratings will only get you so much loyalty – at some put, living up to your potential is necessary.

Also, like Gary Cohen, Mike Francesa and Ed Coleman have all said in the last 24 hours, Minaya should look high and low for a player like Pete Rose, who was the final piece of leadership for the Phillies in the early 80s, or Keith Hernandez and Gary Carter, who played the same role for the Mets a few years later, i.e., a gritty, win-at-all-cost veteran, who may be on the back-nine of his career, but who can push this team – not pull it – through the finish line. If you’re curious, just ask the Rays and Cliff Floyd and Troy Percival.

Again, though I need more time to think through a strategy, my gut tells me that Jerry Manuel and Minaya should stay on – although anything more than a guaranteed two-year deal would be foolish. I do not want either men to operate as a lame-duck manager, but too much security will limit ownership’s options.

I would look to free-agent talent like Orlando Hudson and Derek Lowe, players who are known to have a winning mindset, who work hard and fight. This off-season, Minaya needs to value reputation as much as statistics.

Lastly, from ownership to the GM down to the last man on their roster, the Mets need to get over themselves. You are not ‘a playoff team,’ if you do not make the playoffs. Stop over-selling yourselves. It does you no good – not from the media’s point of view, and certainly not from our point of view. You are not the team to beat – and even if you think you are, zip it and, instead, prove it on the field. Stop talking about meaningful games in any month, let alone October, and, instead, play hard, play smart and be consistent…right to the end.

That last line I bolded was spot-on, IMO. Look for Cerrone to be canned within a week...lol.

No.1 · 09-29-2008, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Healey

Well, look...all i am saying is that if the status quo is what it is, and Pudge has contacted the Mets, I can think of worse things the Mets could do...like Yorvit torrealba for 3 years

When you have pitchers saying that they don't want to pitch to you, you're declining, and getting a year older, and is overrated defense - There's no good getting him.

Keep Brian.

Bay Ridge Dave · 09-29-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Healey

Well, look...all i am saying is that if the status quo is what it is, and Pudge has contacted the Mets, I can think of worse things the Mets could do...like Yorvit torrealba for 3 years

Yeah there is...

Pudge for 4 guaranteed years.

Look, if the guy wants to come here on a one year deal, 5-6 million, maybe with an option... Schneider as the back up or platoon? Yeah, there are worse things. But the last thing the Mets need is Omar giving him a Castillo deal. Yes, I think Omar is that dumb.

If it was really up to me, I'd stay away. Pudge looked really shot in his stint with the Yankees. JMO.

graves9 · 09-29-2008, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Healey

Well, look...all i am saying is that if the status quo is what it is, and Pudge has contacted the Mets, I can think of worse things the Mets could do...like Yorvit torrealba for 3 years

I pointed out all the reasons not to bring that sack of crap here. Your reasoning is well it's better than giving dreck like Torrealba a three year deal.

Pat the Met · 09-29-2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Healey

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Upgrade over Shrek and Schneider, costs nothing but money and would kick Carlos Voltraon's butt if they didn't get in line...not a fix by any means but maybe a start...

No. Just no.

Randy Tate · 09-29-2008, 09:58 PM

Would have been nice to still have Jesus Flores. ****ing Omar. No to Pudge. He is washed up.

metman · 09-29-2008, 11:43 PM

[player who wants money before he's sent to shady acres] wants [big market team willing to pay]

That sounds about right. Thanks, Sludge, but we're doing just fine in the "no hit old bones catchers" department.

MetfanBren · 09-29-2008, 11:47 PM

Pudge wants Mets? More like Boras needs Mets for him to have any shot at a last big deal...

Mr. Met · 09-30-2008, 12:45 AM

Note to Omar : Just say No.

metboy98 · 09-30-2008, 01:25 AM

Why would he want to play for a bunch of heartless chokers besides the fact that the Wilpons love giving away free 4 year deals to old latinos with shot knees? Besides you know he is one of the guys who used roids. Isn't Shownweiss enough?

uphill struggle · 09-30-2008, 07:57 AM

an aging catcher with declining defense who never walks and doesnt hit for a high average anymore! sign me up!

schoenweiss is latino?

09-29-2008, 11:43 PM	#26 (permalink)
metman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 5,658	[player who wants money before he's sent to shady acres] wants [big market team willing to pay] That sounds about right. Thanks, Sludge, but we're doing just fine in the "no hit old bones catchers" department. __________________ SHUT Your FESTERING GOB...You TIT!

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09-29-2008, 09:58 PM	#25 (permalink)
Randy Tate Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 434	Would have been nice to still have Jesus Flores. ****ing Omar. No to Pudge. He is washed up.

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MetfanBren Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pearl River, NY Posts: 3,666	Pudge wants Mets? More like Boras needs Mets for him to have any shot at a last big deal...

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Mr. Met Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,150	Note to Omar : Just say No.

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metboy98 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,101	Why would he want to play for a bunch of heartless chokers besides the fact that the Wilpons love giving away free 4 year deals to old latinos with shot knees? Besides you know he is one of the guys who used roids. Isn't Shownweiss enough?

09-30-2008, 07:57 AM	#30 (permalink)
uphill struggle Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,105	an aging catcher with declining defense who never walks and doesnt hit for a high average anymore! sign me up! schoenweiss is latino?

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