Matt

...IF (and yes, that's a BIG IF right now) they get there - they can go with a three man rotation.

Wed-Thur-Sat-Sun-Tues is the first round schedule, for both NLDS. Whoever goes Wednesday can come back Sunday in Game 4, on short rest...but the guy that pitches game 2 can go on normal rest in Game 5.

In other words, if they go with Santana on short rest Saturday and it works, and they make it in - they can have Santana pitching two games in a five game series (both on normal rest if he pitches Game 2), and Pelfrey/Ollie splitting the other three. I'll take my chances with that formula...

Now, with that being said...****ING GET TO THE PLAYOFFS, DAMNIT!

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Franco45

This thread is a joke. There is no way the Mets make the playoffs

Mets4eva21

i like your confidence

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Big Denny

Except that not only will they have to go with three guys and pitch them on short rest, they'll have to hope that these guys can pitch complete games each time out.

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Nails

Good lineups we would face in the playoffs would be patient and make our starting pitchers work because they know our pen sucks. Our pen against good lineups in a close playoff game would be a disaster.

Dr Strange

Nothing short of a miracle; something like Schoenweis magically turning into Jesse Orosco; could help this team get into the playoffs.

As it stands, we'd have to pitch our starters until their arms fell off. It's really not worth doing that. We won't get far even if we manage to get in.

Omar must be fired for ignoring the bullpen. It falls on him.

And to correct some of the writers and fans; this is not a choke. We're just not good enough.

mike rithjen

Mets had won 9 of 12 prior to the "17 games left" portion of the schedule. Since then, they have gone 4-7....

They have holes, no question.....but the biggest hole is in their confidence and mental awareness. They are scared to death. They HOPE they can make it....

Also doesn't help when you lose 3 LF's (Alou, Pagan, Tatis), your #3 starter and your closer.

Easley's absense cannot be overlooked either.

Omar could have done more for the depth of this organization (especially the bullpen)....but the honus ultimately is on the players on the field. I am sorry, but this team has enough talent to do better than 4-7 in the last 11. They have the talent to go better than 1-12 in Atlanta and San Diego.

That is not Omar's fault. Everyone wants to blame everyone else.

The players suck when it counts....end of story.

Dr Strange

Can't argue. You make a lot of sense, while I'm going crazy, but I still maintain that the bullpen is the major problem. Which, I think, impacts the confidence and awareness of all the players.

mike rithjen

I agree with you too.....the bullpen is atrocious and Omar could have and should have done more.

I am just saying that there is enough out there to produce more.

Also amazing how well the pen pitches in blowouts. They have some ability....just not the execution or balls to go with it.....

Green Must Go

The only way the Mets are winning in October is on the golf course. But they'll probably choke there too. Castillo will use a driver on a par 5 and not even and hit the ball to the ladies tee.

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The_Kings_of_Quit

I just got bounced off of another sh*tty Mets bulletin board yesterday for bumping a thread where some positive thinking idiot proclaimed "This is NOT September 2007!!"

To even the playing field, I say we start banning people from THIS site for posting positive ramblings in the face of obvious current/future Mets failure.

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I dont see how we can even THINK about talking about October, as the season may very well end on Sunday. Even IF they get to the post-season, they cant get far, with this Sh*thole of a bullpen.

Aside from the bullpen, the mental toughness of this team MUST be questioned, as they rarely come through in clutch situations. For some insane reason, the offense seems to think a baseball game is won and lost in the first 3 innings. Most of us know, it doesn't work that way.

You claim you cant blame Omar for this ? Who DO we blame ? The tooth fairy ? Any smart GM would have had the bullpen as priority #1, after last seasons debacle. Omar deluded himself into thinking all was well, while we ALL knew it was not. This, and NOT firing Willie at the end of last season, may very well prove to be our undoing AGAIN this season.

It's ALL on Omar's head, and he needs to be gone.

Matt

Did you even bother to read what I wrote? Only one of them would be going on short rest (the guy that pitches Game 1)...

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mike rithjen

Everyone acts like you can just go out and pick a reliever from a tree and everything will be fixed.

Okay, so if Omar had gone out and gotten Fuentes, Marte or whoever (and it would have cost one of or some combination of Murphy, Evans or Parnell/Niese)....would it have fixed everything/anything? Everyone would have complained about that too....

It is not as easy as some people think. There is no guarantee that any new reliever would have fixed everything anyway. It is a culture...not an individual problem. The Mets bullpen sucks and has a stigma that everyone within succumbs to.

Any team in baseball can say....we need more pitching....we need more hitting...we need more bullpen....

That is why only 1 team wins every year. Sure, our bullpen sucks....Sure, Willie situation was botched.....but how were the Mets doing before Omar got here?

I am by no means a Minaya "supporter"....I have a lot of beef.

I just think it is too easy to just lay all of our angst on someone other than the players.

The Mets 25 (bullpen included) is better than Atlanta, Washington and Florida's 25.....there is no excuse to be playing the way they are to end the season.

NeilAllen

However the division is gone and it's nearly a mortal lock at this point if they do by some Milwaukee-choking miracle make it they'll have to play the Cubs in the 1st round. As '84 pointed out in the game thread that Cubs team absolutely MURDERS lefties and the fact that we get to throw 3 lefties at them in a 5 game series is supposed to be a selling point? Sorry Matt, I know you mean well, but we're f*cked. Face it.

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