Well at least we will always have last year...

NickPapagiorgio · 08-24-2008, 03:52 PM

Looks like Osi is gone for the season and no Osi (and obviously no Strahan) means no playoffs, at least in my mind. The NFC East is going to be very competitive and I fear without the great pass rush that they had last year, the secondary is going to be exposed. Maybe Spags will come up with something to surprise us all but I don't know if they are going to be able to overcome the talent drain they had on defense.

I said at the end of last year that the SB got them a little grace period. Whatever happens this year, we can't complain, but I would have liked to have seen them at full strength. Maybe Strahan can be talked into coming back.

ESPN - Reports: Giants' Umenyiora likely out for season with ligament damage - NFL

freakzilla11 · 08-24-2008, 04:20 PM

I was thinking exactly that about Strahan.

dak11 · 08-24-2008, 04:44 PM

Nick with a negative post. Couldn't have seen that one coming.

As good as Osi's stats were last year, and his loss will hurt, he really wasn't as dominant as some here give him credit for when you consider 6 out of 13 sacks were in 1 game alone.

This defense doesn't seemed designed to force the DE's to get pressure. It seems designed to get the blitzers to apply the pressure where ever they come from. It's more about the scheme to apply the pressure then the actual players.

Osi's loss will obviously hurt, I just don't see it as doom for the whole season like the consistent negative posters do since his loss on the pass rush can be compensated, at a minimum, with Kiwanuka on passing downs.

MetsNJints · 08-24-2008, 05:23 PM

Take these comments however you want, but per NFL Network, Strahan is quoted as saying the following when asked about a possible return to the Giants:
" I haven't been contacted by anyone yet, so it is premature to speculate right now, as of right now, I am enjoying Retirement"

NickPapagiorgio · 08-24-2008, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by dak11

Nick with a negative post. Couldn't have seen that one coming.

As good as Osi's stats were last year, and his loss will hurt, he really wasn't as dominant as some here give him credit for when you consider 6 out of 13 sacks were in 1 game alone.

This defense doesn't seemed designed to force the DE's to get pressure. It seems designed to get the blitzers to apply the pressure where ever they come from. It's more about the scheme to apply the pressure then the actual players.

Osi's loss will obviously hurt, I just don't see it as doom for the whole season like the consistent negative posters do since his loss on the pass rush can be compensated, at a minimum, with Kiwanuka on passing downs.

I wouldn't say it was negative just more realistic. It is hard for teams to repeat even harder when you lose your best two defensive lineman. I am not saying that there is no way they make the playoffs, I would just be surprised. That said, I am not going to ***** or complain about it. It is what it is. This team has earned that.

dak11 · 08-24-2008, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapagiorgio

I wouldn't say it was negative just more realistic. It is hard for teams to repeat even harder when you lose your best two defensive lineman. I am not saying that there is no way they make the playoffs, I would just be surprised. That said, I am not going to ***** or complain about it. It is what it is. This team has earned that.

Nick, how is claiming they won't even make the playoffs before the season even starts being realistic and not negative?

No.1 · 08-25-2008, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dak11

Nick, how is claiming they won't even make the playoffs before the season even starts being realistic and not negative?

We all seen his post on the Mets and YOU still want to discuss with Nick what's negative and what's realistic?!?!

Osi will be a HUGE loss, but not "No playoffs" loss.

dak11 · 08-25-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by No.1

We all seen his post on the Mets and YOU still want to discuss with Nick what's negative and what's realistic?!?!

Guess I'm just trying to gauge how delusional Nick really is.

Fonzy13 · 08-25-2008, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by dak11

Guess I'm just trying to gauge how delusional Nick really is.

Pretty freaking delusional.

On topic, if you can convince Strahan to come out of retirement, great.

If not, the logical step is to put Kiwanuka back at DE, and let Gerris start at linebacker.

It's a burtal loss, especially having come in a preseason game. But we are Super Bowl champs, and that is still awesome.

Mets bs · 08-25-2008, 11:24 AM

Even if Strahan stays retired we can move Kiwi back to DE and start Clark (if healthy) and Wilkinson/Kiehl.

It hurts, but I don't see this as season over.

NeilAllen · 08-25-2008, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Today's Snooze

Michael Strahan was vacationing in Greece Sunday when the news broke that his old friend Osi Umenyiora was lost for the season. But he would consider ending his vacation and coming out of retirement if the Giants really want him back, the Daily News has learned. According to a source close to the future Hall of Famer, all it would take to get the 37-year-old to end his 77-day retirement would be $8 million and a few kind words to return now that Umenyiora is out for the season.

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dak11 · 08-25-2008, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NeilAllen

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There was talk that he never would have retired if the Giants offered him 8 mil this off season. Rumors were/are that they only offered 6.5 so he decided to put the cleats away.

I've also read recently that he's lost about 10 pounds of muscle from last year so even if he does sign I wouldn't expect to see much of him over the first few weeks.

And for those that aren't aware, talk has the Giants $12 mil under the cap so it's doable without having to renegotiate any other deals.

Fonzy13 · 08-25-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dak11

There was talk that he never would have retired if the Giants offered him 8 mil this off season. Rumors were/are that they only offered 6.5 so he decided to put the cleats away.

I've also read recently that he's lost about 10 pounds of muscle from last year so even if he does sign I wouldn't expect to see much of him over the first few weeks.

And for those that aren't aware, talk has the Giants $12 mil under the cap so it's doable without having to renegotiate any other deals.

I'm happy. Do this now!

MrHat · 08-25-2008, 04:06 PM

Losing Osi hurts, but to me its not a miss the playoffs loss. I'd just assume let Strahan stay retired, let him end it on top. Obviously its better for the team if he comes back and if thats what he really wants to do so be it, but I'd hate for him to end up having an mess of a year after having pretty much a story book ending....

Kids gotta step up. Honestly I think the Giants will miss Osi's leadership off the field more than his play on. To me anyways, he's a good player who appeared to be a great one because of all the attention offenses paid to Strahan. As Dak mentioned outside of the Philly game where he just abused a rookie, he had a pretty mediocre year.

Big Denny · 08-25-2008, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapagiorgio

I wouldn't say it was negative just more realistic. It is hard for teams to repeat even harder when you lose your best two defensive lineman. I am not saying that there is no way they make the playoffs, I would just be surprised. That said, I am not going to ***** or complain about it. It is what it is. This team has earned that.

They lost Justin Tuck? When did this happen?

08-24-2008, 03:52 PM	#1 (permalink)
NickPapagiorgio Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 9,658	Well at least we will always have last year... Looks like Osi is gone for the season and no Osi (and obviously no Strahan) means no playoffs, at least in my mind. The NFC East is going to be very competitive and I fear without the great pass rush that they had last year, the secondary is going to be exposed. Maybe Spags will come up with something to surprise us all but I don't know if they are going to be able to overcome the talent drain they had on defense. I said at the end of last year that the SB got them a little grace period. Whatever happens this year, we can't complain, but I would have liked to have seen them at full strength. Maybe Strahan can be talked into coming back. ESPN - Reports: Giants' Umenyiora likely out for season with ligament damage - NFL __________________ NickPapagiorgio Posting Alert System (current status): Green

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08-24-2008, 04:44 PM	#3 (permalink)
dak11 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,449	Nick with a negative post. Couldn't have seen that one coming. As good as Osi's stats were last year, and his loss will hurt, he really wasn't as dominant as some here give him credit for when you consider 6 out of 13 sacks were in 1 game alone. This defense doesn't seemed designed to force the DE's to get pressure. It seems designed to get the blitzers to apply the pressure where ever they come from. It's more about the scheme to apply the pressure then the actual players. Osi's loss will obviously hurt, I just don't see it as doom for the whole season like the consistent negative posters do since his loss on the pass rush can be compensated, at a minimum, with Kiwanuka on passing downs.

08-24-2008, 05:23 PM	#4 (permalink)
MetsNJints Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 57	Take these comments however you want, but per NFL Network, Strahan is quoted as saying the following when asked about a possible return to the Giants: " I haven't been contacted by anyone yet, so it is premature to speculate right now, as of right now, I am enjoying Retirement"

08-25-2008, 11:24 AM	#10 (permalink)
Mets bs Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 796	Even if Strahan stays retired we can move Kiwi back to DE and start Clark (if healthy) and Wilkinson/Kiehl. It hurts, but I don't see this as season over.

08-25-2008, 04:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
MrHat Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: NY Posts: 2,848	Losing Osi hurts, but to me its not a miss the playoffs loss. I'd just assume let Strahan stay retired, let him end it on top. Obviously its better for the team if he comes back and if thats what he really wants to do so be it, but I'd hate for him to end up having an mess of a year after having pretty much a story book ending.... Kids gotta step up. Honestly I think the Giants will miss Osi's leadership off the field more than his play on. To me anyways, he's a good player who appeared to be a great one because of all the attention offenses paid to Strahan. As Dak mentioned outside of the Philly game where he just abused a rookie, he had a pretty mediocre year.

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