Fonzy13

Ok, so it's not a direct quote. That being said, this reeks of both desparation and stupidity. And sounds exactly like something the Mets would normally try to pass of as a "unique plan."

These aren't your brother's New York Yankees.

IT'S A SETUP

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Green Must Go

You mean the Yanks don't want to make the playoffs this year?

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If the Yankees were trying to treat Chamberlain like the Mets would, he would have started last season in the rotation (if not the summer before) with little minor league experience under his belt, then have been sent to the minor leagues for six weeks before being called up to be a reliever for 8 days, then sent down again, etc., etc.

Regarding this season, even if the Mets came out with a similar Chamberlain plan, it would still be revised day-to-day based on other injuries, based on whatever pitchers they are trying to hold on to without passing them through waivers, etc., and Chamberlain would still be eligible for demotion based on a a few bad outings.

I have no problem with the Yankees plan for Chamberlain, but it could be a disaster if they change their mind every week.

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mets84

Good post. The problem isn't with "plans" - it's usually with how the Mets go about implementing them.

Fonzy13

Did you guys read the article?

You look at that and say, "Boy, what a neat idea?"

We'll have the guy pitch out of the pen for two months, then send him to the minors for four weeks to stretch out his arm, then bring him back up and plug him into the rotation.

It's the most assinine thing I've ever heard. Perhaps if the season is cast in stone, and you can predict what will happen during each given game, like some sort of Cruise pre-cog, ok then. But this? What if they don't need a pitcher in the rotation? What if he sucks this year? What if Rivera gets hurt? There's a lot of "what-ifs."

Why put out a plan like this, so refined, that basically calls for it to remain in place regardless of the circumstances.

The problem in this case isn't the execution of the plan, it's the idea that there is a plan beyond pen or rotation. Overthinking. It's just like the Mets.

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dak11

I believe this is their way of telling Chamberlain that he's pitching in relief this year without taking all hope from him about starting in the future.

I'll be utterly shocked if he's pitching great out of the pen and they follow through with this.

TheeSublimeOne

Wow, after reading that article it makes me feel good about the Mets bullpen.

freakzilla11

He was just Heilmaned.

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metboy98

You mean they want all their prospects to amount to nothing and get traded for nothing?

graves9

Boy George stated that the Stanks will have the best pitching staff since the Dodgers of the 60's. What a freaking idiot. I hope those three jackasses end up being bigger busts then Generation K ever was.

NickPapagiorgio

Bingo. I will be shocked if he pitches as a starter this year.

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Gregory Gewirtz

Yes and yes.

In addition, if Rivera gets hurt, and if it makes more sense for Chamberlain to become the closer, the Yanks can go ahead with that and convert him to the rotation next year. There's nothing unique or bold about limiting a young pitcher's innings by pitching him in relief, especially when he could be valuable in relief as opposed to being a mop-up man.

The Yanks will only screw Chamberlain in 2008 if they yo-yo him back and forth between the rotation and the bullpen and between the majors and the minors.

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Fonzy13

You mean, like the article states they will?

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Gregory Gewirtz

There's a difference between a plan to limit innings and a plan to stretch a guy out in the minors versus hasty "performance-based" demotions (for example, Joe Smith has a bad week and is scuttled, Mike Pelfrey gets a month's audition before being sent down) or promotions or changes of role driven by the fact that there's nobody else available (every one of Pelfrey's call-ups, one could argue; Humber's one September start; much of Heilman's career; hell, Alay Soler's Mets career).

If the Yankees only change Chamberlain's role once (from reliever to starter) and if they are demoting him only so that he can reconvert to be a starter (with the exception, of course, that if he genuinely stinks this year, they'll eventually have to send him down), that is not yo-yo-ing, but it amounts to one role change, not day-to-day role changes and reevaluations based on the whim of the moment. The Mets (and by "the Mets," I mean "Omar") are constantly trying to catch lightning in a bottle, trying to get by on "Mets magic" and trying to divert the media's attention towards the new flavor-of-the-month unready prospect, instead of providing adequate, tested, reliable depth in the pantry.

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