Omar Goes Hoggin in Nashville?

Bay Ridge Dave · 12-02-2007, 11:19 AM

Please, Omar, stay away...

Omar Minaya may throw Bartolo Colon into Met mix, rotation

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Five years ago, when Omar Minaya was running the Expos, he traded for Bartolo Colon. Minaya gave up some talented young players, including Grady Sizemore, but Colon delivered for an Expos team that was in contention, going 10-4 in 17 starts.

Minaya has a chance to repeat history if he decides Colon is worth bringing to the Mets. The former Cy Young Award winner reportedly is not going to be offered salary arbitration by the Angels, which would make him a free agent.

He no longer is the pitcher Minaya landed in the 2002 deal with the Indians, missing significant parts of the last two seasons with arm injuries. But Colon could be a high-risk/high-reward acquisition. And the Mets could get him without having to make a trade, which has been a stumbling block for them given their lack of top prospects.

"Bart did like Minaya during the short time they were in Montreal," said one baseball person close to Colon. "I always thought he wanted to stay in Los Angeles, but if that's not there, he could do something like (sign with) New York."

Colon will turn 35 next season. During the past two seasons he earned $30 million from the Angels while appearing in just 29 games. He had surgery to repair a rotator cuff tear in 2006. The shoulder still bothered him last year and he also had elbow woes.

"The problem with him is you don't know what you're going to get," one scout said. "He's not going to be the pitcher he was (in 2005). You don't even know what he's got left."

That may not be the only problem. Colon is one of many Dominicans who used personal trainer Angel Presinal, who was stopped at the Toronto airport in 2001 with anabolic steroids. Colon hasn't been directly linked to using performance-enhancing drugs, and Presinal told authorities they belonged to Juan Gonzalez.

Colon was 6-8 last season with a 6.34 ERA. Angels assistant GM Ken Forsch told MLB.com that the club is choosing not to offer him salary arbitration and allowing him to go on the open market. Letting him go will save the Angels in excess of $10 million.

Shastada · 12-02-2007, 11:25 AM

Ewww... there is a reason everyone is trying to trade for pitchers this off season rather than go after this 'former cy young'

Really this guy barely deserves a major league deal, let alone the multi year deal he'll likely command.

Kid A · 12-02-2007, 11:25 AM

Yeah. If anything this staff needs to get another Lefty into the mix. This wouldnt make much sense to me except for the fact that the Mets actually stand a chance to get it done for once...sadly.

FrankStylV7 · 12-02-2007, 11:28 AM

I saw this topic title and laughed my ****ing ass off.

Bay Ridge Dave · 12-02-2007, 11:28 AM

One lefty project off the table...

Wolf, Padres agree in principle to 1-year deal - MLB - Yahoo! Sports

Bay Ridge Dave · 12-02-2007, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

I saw this topic title and laughed my ****ing ass off.

Frank, if I was a gambling man, I would bet the house that the 2008 Mets rotation will have AT LEAST one of these fat f*cks in it.

Mets fans should be really afraid at this point.

Kid A · 12-02-2007, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Dave

Frank, if I was a gambling man, I would bet the house that the 2008 Mets rotation will have AT LEAST one of these fat f*cks in it.

Mets fans should be really afraid at this point.

AND...El Duque will be your 3rd Starter.

mets84 · 12-02-2007, 11:46 AM

The one phrase Dave threw out their at one point last week keeps sticking in my mind... it's like they think these types of moves are "just crazy enough to work."

Jersey Shore · 12-02-2007, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Kid A

AND...El Duque will be your 3rd Starter.

last year, at the start of the season, he was #2...and yet there were some on this forum who claimed the METS had a GOOD staff....

mets84 · 12-02-2007, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Jersey Shore

last year, at the start of the season, he was #2...and yet there were some on this forum who claimed the METS had a GOOD staff....

el duque's pretty nice to have if you use him correctly. depending on him to be your workhorse is not using him correctly, yet that's what the mets have done the past two seasons, and each time it pretty much cost them everything.

if they go into next season with duque as anything but a reliever or fifth starter who can be skipped (and hopefully easily replaced, as there's no guarantee even copious rest will help him avoid getting hurt), then they are beyond stupid and deserve everything they get (just as they've deserved everything they've gotten so far).

Paulie Cee · 12-02-2007, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mets84

el duque's pretty nice to have if you use him correctly. depending on him to be your workhorse is not using him correctly, yet that's what the mets have done the past two seasons, and each time it pretty much cost them everything.

if they go into next season with duque as anything but a reliever or fifth starter who can be skipped (and hopefully easily replaced, as there's no guarantee even copious rest will help him avoid getting hurt), then they are beyond stupid and deserve everything they get (just as they've deserved everything they've gotten so far).

The only way to "use him correctly" is to have him pitch middle relief in the World Series. The Mets are about three starting pitchers shy of that goal.

Gregory Gewirtz · 12-02-2007, 11:59 AM

There nothing wrong with bringing in Colon as long as there's another reasonable starter around as the backup plan if/when Colon gets hurt. For example, if Colon is penciled into the fifth spot in the rotation with El Duque starting in the pen. I agree that the Mets cannot lean on Colon for any specific meaningful contribution, though I think he's a good gamble.

METSSC · 12-02-2007, 12:00 PM

what should I do?

you are very wise like me

mets84 · 12-02-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulie Cee

The only way to "use him correctly" is to have him pitch middle relief in the World Series.

perhaps. he's such a great talent, I would think there would have to be some way to make use of him without coming to rely on him.

unfortunately I have no faith in this front office and this manager to figure out what the "correct" way to use him is.

mets84 · 12-02-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Gregory Gewirtz

There nothing wrong with bringing in Colon as long as there's another reasonable starter around as the backup plan if/when Colon gets hurt.

These are the Mets we're talking about here... we'll see them come up with a reasonable backup plan for this fatass the day they come up with Church's righty platoon partner.

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Shastada Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 311	Ewww... there is a reason everyone is trying to trade for pitchers this off season rather than go after this 'former cy young' Really this guy barely deserves a major league deal, let alone the multi year deal he'll likely command.

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mets84 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Down by 11 in the 9th inning Posts: 9,859	The one phrase Dave threw out their at one point last week keeps sticking in my mind... it's like they think these types of moves are "just crazy enough to work."

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