Hilton

Yankee fans frowned upon hearing about the trade because of Kelly's age and ability. Nobody took O'Neils leadership, clutch hits and outfield defense into consideration. Now I'm not comparing Church to O'Neil but it would appear as though Schneider and Church add more to the team than Milledge and Loduca. If Schneider helps Pelfrey, Maine and Perez the Mets instantly become a better team.

freakzilla11

You're gonna get roasted for this one Hilton.

I don't mind the trade, but I know to just keep quiet about it.

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metman

Schneider gets $10m/2 years. It's a horrible deal for a terrible player. Church is a platoon player. O'Neil was a full time world series winner.

Next.

graves9

O'neill coming over from the Reds was a platoon player with questions about his power and maturity. I don't like Hilton's comparison either just saying.

metman

I recall him being more, maybe I am on crack.

Oh, ****. I am on crack. I thought it was a fair deal at the time. But I also know he had more talent. So I was a bit too harsh, and I apologize, but I just am so angry at this deal and I can't see Church being more. I mean, I've seen these guys play. I really really really always hated this catcher and have said, so many times, how useless he is. I shouldn't let that cloud my judgement in this statement, though.

Ok, back to more crack. It's quite yummy. And pie. Humble.

Hilton

I'm not comparing the players, just the situation. It would be foolish to compare Church to O'Neil. If Schneider helps Pelfrey to live up to the promise of being a top draft choice, the deal instantly benefits the Mets. If Church isn't going to develop into an all star overnight, what you see is what you get but the deal still makes plenty of sense for the Mets.

Bay Ridge Dave

I am "meh" about this trade, but if I people are going to spout Church in the same breath as Jim Edmonds, and now Paul O'Neill... and that we are hanging our hopes on old YANKEES trades as some justification for this deal... well that is utterly ridiculous.

Hilton

Really? I don't think it's ridiculous. Kelly was a bright prospect who showed flashes of talent (sound familar?). The Yankees knew what they had in Roberto Kelly and decided to trade him for a platoon player in O'Neil. The scounts claimed that O'Neil couldn't hit lefties. Nobody took into account that O'Neil could provided leadership, clutch hits and solid defense. Lets wait and see if Church develops into anything better than a fourth outfielder. We all know that Schneider can handle a pitching staff and throw out runners. When was the last time the Mets were solid defensively up the middle?

Bay Ridge Dave

So you then ARE comparing them?

Please.

No.1

I see


ANYONE ELSE wanna throw the gasoline into the fire...

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SI Metman

****ing shoot me because I see the point Hilton is trying to make and somewhat agree.

Damn I need some sleep.

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First Pitch Fastball

Roberto Kelly was 28 when he was traded. Paul O'Neill was 29. The comparisons are HORRIBLE.

Hilton

If Schneider improves Pelfrey and the rest of the staff, the Mets are a better team. Church could be a decent player before all is said and done. I also get the idea that Milledge could be over rated in terms of talent. I'm not a major league scout but I wasn't impressed with Milledges defense, offense or character. Perhaps we'll look back at this trade as a deal that helped us get over the top.

Hilton

Kelly's was considered one of the 2 or 3 best players on those Yankee teams prior to the Jeter era...I'm not comparing players, it's the concept.

First Pitch Fastball

It's still apples to oranges. Kelly wasn't a prospect who a team expected to get better. This is the difference. Milledge has enormous upside, even if his prospect status has dimmed; he's 22 years old and typically players hit their peak service time when they are about 27. He's cheap, young, and has upside. Kelly might've been a good player, but he wasn't young AND he wasn't cheap (he made 2.15 million in 1992) and by 1993 he already had played 4 full seasons for the Yankees.

The comparison of Church to O'Neill might be apt. Who knows (But to be fair O'Neill had placed 19th in MVP voting in 1990 for some ungodly reason). But Kelly to Milledge is just not a good comparison.