Well, they're screwed.....

FrankStylV7 · 11-30-2007, 08:36 AM

If one of their best packages got rejected for their third choice....

Orioles, Bedard stall on contract -- baltimoresun.com

According to several industry sources, the Mets' offer for Bedard, which was rejected, included 21-year-old outfield prospect Carlos Gomez, reliever Aaron Heilman, 29, and a third player, believed to be right-handed starter Philip Humber, 24. Gomez, ranked as the Mets' third-best prospect by Baseball America, is clearly the headliner.

When Gomez debuted with the Mets in May, he was the league's youngest player. The speedy center fielder batted .232 with two home runs, 12 RBIs and 12 steals, missing two months after breaking a bone in his left hand.

Heilman went 7-7 with a 3.03 ERA in 81 appearances last year for the Mets while serving as a setup man for Billy Wagner. Humber, the third overall pick in the 2004 draft, was 11-9 with a 4.27 ERA last season in 25 starts for Triple-A New Orleans. He pitched in three games, including one start for the Mets, compiling a 7.71 ERA.

Mex17 · 11-30-2007, 09:14 AM

Blessing in disguise? I don't know but I am starting to think that we are going to find out one way or the other.

These kids better come to Port St. Lucie ready to stick it to the entire industry who thought they were not worth taking in these trades.

METSSC · 11-30-2007, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mex17

Blessing is disguise? I don't know but I am starting to think that we are going to find out one way or the other.

These kids better come in Port St. Lucie ready to stick it to the entire industry who thought they were not worth taking in these trades.

yep. I'd rather sign a lesser FA then get raped in one of these trades.

freakzilla11 · 11-30-2007, 09:18 AM

At least the attempt is there.

It wasn't a half-assed offer.

86mets · 11-30-2007, 10:43 AM

I personally had Bedard as my SECOND choice..but the supposed SECOND choice in Haren may still be had for that offer if you sub Milledge for Gomez and or Mulvey for Humber..so maybe we are not screwed just yet..although you can debate whether or not that pkg is too much for Haren.

Shooter Mcgavin · 11-30-2007, 11:20 AM

That would have been a good deal for the Mets. I put Bedard on par with Haren. I don't think I'd personally offer more than that for either.

RainMan · 11-30-2007, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

If one of their best packages got rejected for their third choice....

Orioles, Bedard stall on contract -- baltimoresun.com

According to several industry sources, the Mets' offer for Bedard, which was rejected, included 21-year-old outfield prospect Carlos Gomez, reliever Aaron Heilman, 29, and a third player, believed to be right-handed starter Philip Humber, 24. Gomez, ranked as the Mets' third-best prospect by Baseball America, is clearly the headliner.

When Gomez debuted with the Mets in May, he was the league's youngest player. The speedy center fielder batted .232 with two home runs, 12 RBIs and 12 steals, missing two months after breaking a bone in his left hand.

Heilman went 7-7 with a 3.03 ERA in 81 appearances last year for the Mets while serving as a setup man for Billy Wagner. Humber, the third overall pick in the 2004 draft, was 11-9 with a 4.27 ERA last season in 25 starts for Triple-A New Orleans. He pitched in three games, including one start for the Mets, compiling a 7.71 ERA.

If I was BAL I wouldn't take that offer either for a guy that still two years away from free agency. It was a good start but I'd want Pelfry instead of Humber or add Mulvey or Guerra. It is over paying but SP in a commodity and BAL has a legit front end of the rotation guy.

Everyone needs to remember BAL and OAK don't have to trade. MIN does or Santana will walk. As I said in another post the Mets best hope is that Santana says "Screw You" to Carl Pohlad because he won't pay him and invoke his no trade clause, stay in MIN for 2008 and then go to free agency.

Shooter Mcgavin · 11-30-2007, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan

If I was BAL I wouldn't take that offer either for a guy that still two years away from free agency. It was a good start but I'd want Pelfry instead of Humber or add Mulvey or Guerra. It is over paying but SP in a commodity and BAL has a legit front end of the rotation guy.

Everyone needs to remember BAL and OAK don't have to trade. MIN does or Santana will walk. As I said in another post the Mets best hope is that Santana says "Screw You" to Carl Pohlad because he won't pay him and invoke his no trade clause, stay in MIN for 2008 and then go to free agency.

That's true and Billy Beane always seems to walk away with the best player. Stay away from Mr. Beane.

Matt · 11-30-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan

As I said in another post the Mets best hope is that Santana says "Screw You" to Carl Pohlad because he won't pay him and invoke his no trade clause, stay in MIN for 2008 and then go to free agency.

The problem with that is that his no-trade doesn't include the 2008 season. Once the season starts, he can be traded without his consent...

15 Day DL Alou · 11-30-2007, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

That's true and Billy Beane always seems to walk away with the best player. Stay away from Mr. Beane.

like when he dealt Tim Hudson for Juan Cruz, Dan Meyer and Charles Thomas?

there are no guarantees, that deal was supposed to be better than the Mulder deal, but it turned out exactly the opposite.

86mets · 11-30-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

That's true and Billy Beane always seems to walk away with the best player. Stay away from Mr. Beane.

I can't remember all the particulars..but I think the Braves got the BETTER end of the Hudson deal..I just wouldn't say he is batting .1000 either and has been exposed a bit as well as a tad overated IMO.

15 Day DL Alou · 11-30-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Matt

The problem with that is that his no-trade doesn't include the 2008 season. Once the season starts, he can be traded without his consent...

to 8 or 10 teams, plus the team that goes for him is likely to still require an extension window if they are giving up top prospects.

RainMan · 11-30-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan

If I was BAL I wouldn't take that offer either for a guy that still two years away from free agency. It was a good start but I'd want Pelfry instead of Humber or add Mulvey or Guerra. It is over paying but SP in a commodity and BAL has a legit front end of the rotation guy.

Everyone needs to remember BAL and OAK don't have to trade. MIN does or Santana will walk. As I said in another post the Mets best hope is that Santana says "Screw You" to Carl Pohlad because he won't pay him and invoke his no trade clause, stay in MIN for 2008 and then go to free agency.

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Originally Posted by Matt

The problem with that is that his no-trade doesn't include the 2008 season. Once the season starts, he can be traded without his consent...

I believe he does have a full no trade clause...

Johan Santana p
4 years/$39.75M (2005-08)

* signed extension 2/05, avoided arbitration ($6.8M-$5M)
* 05:$5.5M, 06:$9M, 07:$12M, 08:$13.25M
* may earn award bonuses
o $25,000 for All-Star selection, 2nd in AL MVP vote or 3rd in CY vote
o $50,000 each for Gold Glove, AL MVP, LCS MVP or 2nd in CY vote
o $100,000 each for WS MVP, Cy Young award
* limited no-trade clause 2006-08
o may block trades to 3 clubs in 05, 8 in 06, 10 in 07 & 12 in 08
o full no-trade clause for 2007-08 with top 3 in CY vote in 06 or 07

86mets · 11-30-2007, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by 15 Day DL Alou

like when he dealt Tim Hudson for Juan Cruz, Dan Meyer and Charles Thomas?

there are no guarantees, that deal was supposed to be better than the Mulder deal, but it turned out exactly the opposite.

Well there you go.......

Matt · 11-30-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RainMan

I believe he does have a full no trade clause...

Johan Santana p
4 years/$39.75M (2005-08)

* signed extension 2/05, avoided arbitration ($6.8M-$5M)
* 05:$5.5M, 06:$9M, 07:$12M, 08:$13.25M
* may earn award bonuses
o $25,000 for All-Star selection, 2nd in AL MVP vote or 3rd in CY vote
o $50,000 each for Gold Glove, AL MVP, LCS MVP or 2nd in CY vote
o $100,000 each for WS MVP, Cy Young award
* limited no-trade clause 2006-08
o may block trades to 3 clubs in 05, 8 in 06, 10 in 07 & 12 in 08
o full no-trade clause for 2007-08 with top 3 in CY vote in 06 or 07

I am 100% sure I read in one of the news outlets (not sure which one, there have been so many) that his full no-trade runs up until the beginning of but does not include the 2008 season. The way I remember it was that since he didn't finish in the top 3 in the CY voting in 2007, his no-trade didn't include '08 (a bit different from the bolded line you posted, where it seems that he only needed a top 3 in EITHER 2006 or 2007).

Entirely possible that was incorrect, but it's also entirely possible your information is also...

11-30-2007, 08:36 AM	#1 (permalink)
FrankStylV7 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Up your Mom's filthy snatch Posts: 6,781	Well, they're screwed..... If one of their best packages got rejected for their third choice.... Orioles, Bedard stall on contract -- baltimoresun.com According to several industry sources, the Mets' offer for Bedard, which was rejected, included 21-year-old outfield prospect Carlos Gomez, reliever Aaron Heilman, 29, and a third player, believed to be right-handed starter Philip Humber, 24. Gomez, ranked as the Mets' third-best prospect by Baseball America, is clearly the headliner. When Gomez debuted with the Mets in May, he was the league's youngest player. The speedy center fielder batted .232 with two home runs, 12 RBIs and 12 steals, missing two months after breaking a bone in his left hand. Heilman went 7-7 with a 3.03 ERA in 81 appearances last year for the Mets while serving as a setup man for Billy Wagner. Humber, the third overall pick in the 2004 draft, was 11-9 with a 4.27 ERA last season in 25 starts for Triple-A New Orleans. He pitched in three games, including one start for the Mets, compiling a 7.71 ERA. __________________ "The place where optimism most flourishes is the lunatic asylum." - Havelock Ellis

11-30-2007, 09:14 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mex17 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 623	Blessing in disguise? I don't know but I am starting to think that we are going to find out one way or the other. These kids better come to Port St. Lucie ready to stick it to the entire industry who thought they were not worth taking in these trades. Last edited by Mex17 : 11-30-2007 at 11:57 AM.

11-30-2007, 11:20 AM	#6 (permalink)
Shooter Mcgavin Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 745	That would have been a good deal for the Mets. I put Bedard on par with Haren. I don't think I'd personally offer more than that for either. __________________ WWW.MYSPACE.COM/THOSEHIPPOCRITES

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11-30-2007, 10:43 AM	#5 (permalink)
86mets Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Poconos, PA Posts: 1,256	I personally had Bedard as my SECOND choice..but the supposed SECOND choice in Haren may still be had for that offer if you sub Milledge for Gomez and or Mulvey for Humber..so maybe we are not screwed just yet..although you can debate whether or not that pkg is too much for Haren.

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