Mets Should Pull Out All the Stops to Obtain Santana

Joe McDonald · 11-30-2007, 04:43 AM

Johan Santana is a difference maker, the type of player that can rejuvenate an organization that forgot their season lasted into September. The Mets can take away some of the sting from their infamous monumental late-season collapse by acquiring a player that is the hottest on the market: A 28 year-old lefthanded starter...

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RkFast · 11-30-2007, 08:12 AM

There are so many holes here I dont know where to start.

First...and organization need to be "rejuvinated" after a bad season by trading away its best, youngest and most popular player?

Second...we, as fans need the "sting" removed by having a free agent toy dropped in our laps? What are we? Five year olds at Christmas?

The Mets need to "sacrifice more than a few rookies." Why should the Mets trade their most prized possession while every other team is looking to do just that? Give up some prospects and rookies?

And here is the big one that this article implies and a lot of people are saying out loud. How does Santan put this team "over the top" in terms of being good, if you are trading away one of the biggest reasons they are good in the first place!!??!! Its a CLASSIC definition of "Robbing Peter to pay Paul."

Sorry. No Reyes. No Way.

Santana is a nice "Cadillac." Ill go for the "Chevy", myself (Haren) , save Reyes and meet you at the same destination come October.

TheeSublimeOne · 11-30-2007, 08:26 AM

I wouldn't trade Reyes for Santana. Who would lead off, Gomez? Who would play SS, Anderson Hernandez? We just don't have the depth to pull off a trade like that. Reyes is a top 3 SS in the NL (heck, the other two are in the same division) and his departure would create too big a hole for the Mets to replace. I'd rather trade our top 3 best prospects than toy with trading anyone on the big club, let alone an impact player such as Reyes. I'm all for pulling all the stops, but not Reyes.

Mr. Met · 11-30-2007, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheeSublimeOne

I wouldn't trade Reyes for Santana. Who would lead off, Gomez? Who would play SS, Anderson Hernandez? We just don't have the depth to pull off a trade like that. Reyes is a top 3 SS in the NL (heck, the other two are in the same division) and his departure would create too big a hole for the Mets to replace. I'd rather trade our top 3 best prospects than toy with trading anyone on the big club, let alone an impact player such as Reyes. I'm all for pulling all the stops, but not Reyes.

I agree. There is no way I would include Reyes in a deal for Santana. Oh well.... I didnt think he was going to be a Met anyway.

15 Day DL Alou · 11-30-2007, 10:41 AM

there is absolutely no way you can trade Reyes for Santana when the best deals for the competition include the names Melky Cabrera and Coco Crisp, with neither team giving up their best prospects.

the fact that Boston is so willing to move this kid Lowrie is suspect when their current shortstop is all of a .643 OPS.

If a deal of Gomez or Milledge, Pelfrey or Humber and Martinez or Guerra, basically a pick three, plus say Gotay and a couple of low level prospects cannot get it done, so bet it.

Thus far the Red Sox and Yankees are dealing with no better hand than the Mets.

dak11 · 11-30-2007, 11:33 AM

Only way you even consider dealing Reyes for Santana is if both are parts of a much larger deal. 1 for 1 or Reyes+ just isn't worth it long term.

Shooter Mcgavin · 11-30-2007, 11:42 AM

Let me ask you this. Would you rather have package

A. SS Reyes

Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Carlos Silva
Pelfrey

B. SS David Ekstein

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey

Matt · 11-30-2007, 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

Let me ask you this. Would you rather have package

A. SS Reyes

Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Carlos Silva
Pelfrey

B. SS David Ekstein

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey

C. Neither

freakzilla11 · 11-30-2007, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

Let me ask you this. Would you rather have package

A. SS Reyes

Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Carlos Silva
Pelfrey

B. SS David Ekstein

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey

IF you can sign Eckstein.

In reality it is:

A. SS Reyes

Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Carlos Silva
Pelfrey

B. SS Ruben Gotay

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey

I choose A.

15 Day DL Alou · 11-30-2007, 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

Let me ask you this. Would you rather have package

A. SS Reyes

Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Carlos Silva
Pelfrey

B. SS David Ekstein

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey

it is ridiculous that your A option has to default to Silva.

Shooter Mcgavin · 11-30-2007, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 15 Day DL Alou

it is ridiculous that your A option has to default to Silva.

You're free to slot in some other sub par free agent.

Matt · 11-30-2007, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

You're free to slot in some other sub par free agent.

...or we could go with this:

SS Reyes

Pedro
Haren/Blanton
Maine
Perez
Duque

...which is why I said C. Neither.

No Santana if the price is Reyes. Sorry, no way.

RkFast · 11-30-2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shooter Mcgavin

Let me ask you this. Would you rather have package

A. SS Reyes

Rotation
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Carlos Silva
Pelfrey

B. SS David Ekstein

Santana
Pedro
Maine
Perez
Pelfrey

Dumb comparison, based on the assumption that Silva is the "replacement" for Santana.

Sorry...Im not robbing Peter to pay Paul.

Jose Reyes...one of the games best, brightest stars. So is Santana.

WHERE IS THE UPGRADE?

metboy98 · 11-30-2007, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matt

...or we could go with this:

SS Reyes

Pedro
Haren/Blanton
Maine
Perez
Duque

...which is why I said C. Neither.

No Santana if the price is Reyes. Sorry, no way.

I remember once we didn't wanna trade Heilman for Sheffeild because he was the future of this team, look what happened there. Pitcher is way more of a important position then shrotstop, to get the best pitcher in the game you gotta give up a good player, plus Reyes scrubbed it up the 2nd part of the year. Who knows how he will do next year.

RkFast · 11-30-2007, 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by metboy98

I remember once we didn't wanna trade Heilman for Sheffeild because he was the future of this team, look what happened there. Pitcher is way more of a important position then shrotstop, to get the best pitcher in the game you gotta give up a good player, plus Reyes scrubbed it up the 2nd part of the year. Who knows how he will do next year.

Heilman at the time was a bit more than a prospect.

Reyes, now, is considered one of the league's most productive, exciting players.

Thats even a WORSE Comparison!

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11-30-2007, 08:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
RkFast Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,139	There are so many holes here I dont know where to start. First...and organization need to be "rejuvinated" after a bad season by trading away its best, youngest and most popular player? Second...we, as fans need the "sting" removed by having a free agent toy dropped in our laps? What are we? Five year olds at Christmas? The Mets need to "sacrifice more than a few rookies." Why should the Mets trade their most prized possession while every other team is looking to do just that? Give up some prospects and rookies? And here is the big one that this article implies and a lot of people are saying out loud. How does Santan put this team "over the top" in terms of being good, if you are trading away one of the biggest reasons they are good in the first place!!??!! Its a CLASSIC definition of "Robbing Peter to pay Paul." Sorry. No Reyes. No Way. Santana is a nice "Cadillac." Ill go for the "Chevy", myself (Haren) , save Reyes and meet you at the same destination come October.

11-30-2007, 08:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
TheeSublimeOne Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: formerly known as placebo31 Posts: 853	I wouldn't trade Reyes for Santana. Who would lead off, Gomez? Who would play SS, Anderson Hernandez? We just don't have the depth to pull off a trade like that. Reyes is a top 3 SS in the NL (heck, the other two are in the same division) and his departure would create too big a hole for the Mets to replace. I'd rather trade our top 3 best prospects than toy with trading anyone on the big club, let alone an impact player such as Reyes. I'm all for pulling all the stops, but not Reyes.

11-30-2007, 10:41 AM	#5 (permalink)
15 Day DL Alou Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: 2016 Posts: 6,026	there is absolutely no way you can trade Reyes for Santana when the best deals for the competition include the names Melky Cabrera and Coco Crisp, with neither team giving up their best prospects. the fact that Boston is so willing to move this kid Lowrie is suspect when their current shortstop is all of a .643 OPS. If a deal of Gomez or Milledge, Pelfrey or Humber and Martinez or Guerra, basically a pick three, plus say Gotay and a couple of low level prospects cannot get it done, so bet it. Thus far the Red Sox and Yankees are dealing with no better hand than the Mets.

11-30-2007, 11:33 AM	#6 (permalink)
dak11 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,419	Only way you even consider dealing Reyes for Santana is if both are parts of a much larger deal. 1 for 1 or Reyes+ just isn't worth it long term.

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