Phenom

The Evil Empire is still evil.

Steingrabber's son responded rather angrily to Joe Torre's comments about the last contract offer being an "insult"...

He pointed out that Joe Torre's career was nowhere in 1995, when the Yankees brought him on board, and that his father, George Steinbrenner, was "crucified" for hiring Joe Torre.

Something tells me this is going to get more entertaining, yet.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3072881

gregjefferies09

This should be titled "speaks the truth" instead of fires back.

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uphill struggle

yea because what he did in 1995 has anything to do with the contract they should be offering him now

Sports Doctor

Classless. I hope this team falls apart

gregjefferies09

Why not? He sucked as a manager before handing an all-star team and payroll handed to him. It was a nicer way of saying "he was a trained monkey, and the skanks made him, not the other way around".

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gregjefferies09

I would have rather they kept him. They now have the opportunity to get a better manager.

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LZATbassist1567

The 96 team wasn't an all-star team and Pettite, Jeter, and Rivera were all new comers. It was after the dynasty that they developed the all-star at every position method. Torre may not be the best manager, but he was a great fit for that team.

Sports Doctor

Are you kidding? Before Torre there were like 8 diff managers in the 10 years before him. How are you going to rip the guy down. This is the Yankees that burn money and they are going to offer a loyal employee an incentive laden deal? Thats bullshit and if it happened to you you'd be furious.

uphill struggle

i know we're supposed to hate all things yankee, but cmon. he did all a coach possibly could this year. why isnt cashman on the hook for the players he brings in?
pre-1995 is no longer relevant. "yea joe, you've gotten us to the playoffs every year but look what you did with the mets 25 years ago. we just can't let that go"

gregjefferies09

A manager with a payroll more than double of the second highest team getting the wild card and swept out of the playoffs was all a coach could do?


There is a reason why he had a .471 winning percentage and was sitting in the broadcast booth before he got the job.

It cracks me up that people will defend this puppet. He absolutely sucked everywhere he was before this team. Was his 1 year of overachieving with tremendous young talent really enough to defend his 7 years of underachieving since?

The same people that say he didn't have the players with his first teams then want to pretend like it wasn't his players that made him with this team.

He is a mediocre manager. He had a crap record with crap teams and a good record with good teams. Nothing more, nothing less. Joe Girardi took crap and did an amazing job. That is a good manager. Doing what you are expected to or worse means mediocre.

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Gregory Gewirtz

Exactly. What Hank Steinbrenner said might be true, but it's also irrelevant history.

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gregjefferies09

Is it really irrelevant? I mean if he wasn't highly regarded by even the Steinbrenner's, whose opinion ultimately is the most important when it comes to decisions like this, then wouldn't that affect their current feelings on him?

To me, it shows that George too viewed him as a puppet that for a while was good at managing personalities and staying loyal to the company favorites and line. He didn't continue to get results with an even bigger investment.

If he can go out with a different team and get results, good for him. However, even his former employers feel that he got his ticket to the hall punched by the team he was fortunate enough to get a job with. For him to cry "insult" because of his image when clearly the business people that run the company have never been that high on him to begin with and could have been giving him the benefit of his team created image for the last 4 seasons is his way of trying to save face and drum up sentiment around the league so that he can either go out on what he feels is the top or to get another job.


The thing is with that offer, even if he didn't get to the series, but they felt he did a much better job getting wherever it was that they got, he may have gotten a better deal at the end of the season.

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metman

Unless you know for sure how Levine and the execs treat him, and how the behind the scenes operations work, is it really fair to bash Torre for his being insulted or feeling he was hung out to dry?

The point is that he KNEW it was a bs offer to placate the media. That's the ****ing point. He knows MORE about their affairs, intentions and feelings towards him than we do. I'm quite sure of it. He'd be fine if he was FIRED. But to be told DURING the post-season he'd be fired, THEN maybe not, left to wait for 9 days JUST to be dicked around with a bs / pr offer is why he's pissed. Not because he didn't get a 3 year deal.

And yes, when you put up with their **** for 12 years and win 4 rings, regardles of what a message board poster like myself thinks, YOU WOULD want 2 years or to be fired instantly and NOT dog and ponied. Deep down, you KNOW this is the truth.

No.1

The Yanks keep embarrassing themselves...and greg's treating Torre like an "average manager" again....


The Mets need to make a move soon.

gregjefferies09

You honestly think he will take another job besides the booth? I highly doubt he will risk exposing himself.

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