ambler

No doubt this is worse. Bigger plunge. For the div.

But refresh my memory someone, how did we blow the WC, that is how "wrapped up" was it before we choked?

And why are they saying that this is the worst choke ever, cause it's not.

mets84

because we live in an instant history society

NeilAllen

This must be like Christmas morning for ambler

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ambler

How so?

The Hag Has Balls

Because no major league team has failed to finish first after having at least a seven-game lead with 17 to play.

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ambler

Um...I think the 64 Phils had like an 8 game lead with like 10 to play...

Here is the book review from Amazon of The 1964 Phillies: The Story of Baseball's Most Memorable Collapse





Book Description
In 1964, thousands of Philadelphia baseball fans were caught up in the Phillies’ unexpected run at the National League pennant. Nearly a decade of continuous defeat had earned them little more than the reputation for an unprecedented record of consecutive losses. But in that ’64 season the Phillies shocked the baseball world, taking over the National League in mid–July and holding on to first place for 73 consecutive days. And then, as the team’s first pennant in a generation seemed within reach, the Phillies collapsed in the greatest meltdown in baseball history.
This account traces the rise and fall of that year’s Phillies team and attempts to disentangle the complex issues that ultimately cost them the pennant. The book sheds light on the influential events of the fifties and sixties that rendered the team first futile and then undefeated, beginning with an exploration of Philadelphia itself and its team in the 1950s. Early chapters discuss the acquisition of a new manager (Gene Mauch) and the dramatic additions of a dynamic new pitcher (Jim Bunning) and the first great African American player produced by the farm system (Richie Allen). Following chapters focus specifically on the 1964 season and its critical moments, from Jim Bunning’s perfect game and Johnny Callison’s winning home run in the All-Star game, to Chico Ruiz’s steal of home that began the devastating 10-game losing streak at the end of the season. Final chapters analyze what went wrong during the season and discuss the Phillies’ position in baseball today. Three useful appendices provide the statistics for the games of the ’64 season and for the individual players on the team, and detailed statistics for the 10-game losing streak.

The Hag Has Balls

6 1/2 game lead, Ambler.

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ambler

This from WIKIPEDIA: to me 6 1/2 with 12 games is worse than 7 with 17 to play. And what about the 78 Bosox with their 14 1/2 game lead?


However, from a 6½-game lead on the Cincinnati Reds with 12 games remaining in the season, Philadelphia collapsed in a 10-game losing streak (the first seven played at home). The crucial series came when the now second-place Phillies traveled to St. Louis to play the Cardinals after their losing home stand. They dropped the first game of the series to Bob Gibson by a 5-1 score, their eighth loss in a row, dropping them to third place. The Cardinals would sweep the three-game set and assume first place for good.

ambler

Proportionally, 6 1/2 with 12 games is considerably worse than 7 with 17 to play. In fact, that's the equivalent of a 9 game collapse over 17.

The Hag Has Balls

Maybe. But it really doesn't matter.

Perception often becomes reality. And in this Yankee dominated town, the media will continue to use the language "worst collapse in history" and it will become reallity.

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mets84

who cares? honestly.

I've been down in the dumps as much as anyone over the last week or so, but... going through this is really not as bad as you would have thought.

The Hag Has Balls

You're right. But it's just another nail in the coffin of this franchise's embarrassing history, that's all. But you're right. F-them.

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Luscious Johnny D.

I witnessed the disaster of 98 in person. This is definitely worse.

ambler

In a perverse way, it's almost fascinating. How will we lose tonight? They keep fiding new and unexpected ways to do it...3 HBP's in an inning....using a pitcher who was supposedly unavailable....not using your ace in a must win-type of game and going with a ML debut instead....all the errors, bad outings allowing almost every inherited runner to score...O fers with RISP. The disappearnce of Reyes. The suspensions fo 3 players during the run...

It's been the weirdest stretch of Mets baseball I have seen in 35 years of watching them.

It'll be interesting to see how they play in two consecutive (possibly three) must win games...

Hey if we can win both and the Phils lose just one, there's baseball beyond sunday and the law of averages favors us over Philly...

And Philly losing one with us winning 2 is not a big improbability.

ambler

So how bad was the WC collapse of 98? I think we had like a 3 game lead with a week to play.