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Old 08-24-2007, 10:47 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Alright, a few weeks back I posted that Wright had a shot at MVP. Based on what he's doing now, however, can we even debate that anyone else is even close, assuming of course that he hits his projected numbers? While the guy isn't tops in any one category, nobody is as high in all categories combined. Here are his projected stats:

Avg. 314, HR 30, RBI 105, Runs 110, BB 94, SB 37, OBP 406, 2B 38.

This is all while playing in Shea and having a horrible April. His numbers might actually be better. Come on guys. Nobody in the NL is even close.

Wright for MVP !!!
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:29 PM   #2 (permalink)
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He definitely has forced his way into the conversation. A lot will be determined by what happens over the last month. If all things stay as they are then I think you have to give Wright very serious consideration. However I could see a guy getting hot and carrying his team to a WC spot and winning the spot (particularly a guy like Utley if he comes back strong and the Phils somehow win the WC).
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Old 08-24-2007, 11:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Nobody in the NL is even close
Particularly not if we choose to ignore Prince's projected 50 HRs and .600+ Slg Pct,
or Chipper's .337 BA with ~30 HRs, .425-ish OBA, and 100+ RBIs
or Albert's .325/.425/.580 and 40 HRs, 100+ scored w/110 or so RBIs
or Utley if he gets back ...
 
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Particularly not if we choose to ignore Prince's projected 50 HRs and .600+ Slg Pct,
or Chipper's .337 BA with ~30 HRs, .425-ish OBA, and 100+ RBIs
or Albert's .325/.425/.580 and 40 HRs, 100+ scored w/110 or so RBIs
or Utley if he gets back ...
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I wouldn't say he's the front runner, but David definitely does deserve to be considered. There are a bunch of guys having good seasons, but nobody is a real front runner at this point. He has a decent chance, but if things stay the same and the Mets win the division by a decent amount of games like the 6 its at now, I think the award would probably go to somebody from one of the teams in the closer races WC/NL Central, who goes on fire down the stretch and/or carries his team into the playoffs.
 
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HoJo for MVP! Wright's OBP is only up about 100 points since the all star break...
 
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Wasn't his ceiling like 290 avg 25 homers and 90 rbi?
 
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Old 08-25-2007, 07:19 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Thank you.
I don't think Wright is even in the conversation. Your projecting him to hit 30 HRs but David goes thru power slumps and he hasn't done it thus far. I'm willing to bet Wright will finish 5th or 6th in the voting.
 
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Moley is less ABs has more HRs and RBI and unlike Wright plays GG defense

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/pl...ds%5B7382%5D=1

Anyway I think Pujols wins it
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I don't think Wright is even in the conversation. Your projecting him to hit 30 HRs but David goes thru power slumps and he hasn't done it thus far. I'm willing to bet Wright will finish 5th or 6th in the voting.
True, but I said assuming that he hits his projected numbers.
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Moley is less ABs has more HRs and RBI and unlike Wright plays GG defense

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/pl...ds%5B7382%5D=1

Anyway I think Pujols wins it
Much lower BA, less walks, less steals, lower OBP. Again, who in the league rates as high in so many categories?

OH, and if you don't think David plays GG defense, you must not have been watching last night.
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Much lower BA, less walks, less steals, lower OBP. Again, who in the league rates as high in so many categories?

OH, and if you don't think David plays GG defense, you must not have been watching last night.
If you think he does, you must not have been watching Thursday.
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And if you DO think he's playing GG defense you haven't been watching the whole season.

Look, Wright's having a very good season and has been coming on real strong during this recent stretch to the point where - *If Things Continue As They Are* - it looks like he'll be in the conversation when it comes time to decide.
But there are also still 6 weeks to go in the season and lines like 'is it even debatable?' or 'no one else is even close' show such absurd tunnel vision that they overshadow any legit case that could be made for him.
 
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Particularly not if we choose to ignore Prince's projected 50 HRs and .600+ Slg Pct,
or Chipper's .337 BA with ~30 HRs, .425-ish OBA, and 100+ RBIs
or Albert's .325/.425/.580 and 40 HRs, 100+ scored w/110 or so RBIs
or Utley if he gets back ...
I didn't say he was having a better season than everyone in the league. I asked if there was anyone even close among MVP candidates. That is to say that I believe in the old school definition of MVP where a player had to be on a playoff team. Yeah, I know there are exceptions but that's usually only when one player's numbers are so off the charts and there are few candidates from other teams. Howard's 57 dingers last year are a great example, although Pujols really should have won, IMO

Now, as for the respective teams of those players you mentioned, The Cardinals are under. 500 and there is a strong likelihood that the Braves, Phils and Brewers will all miss the playoffs.

Again, Wright is the one guy who doing a lot of everything on the team with the best record in the league. He should get serious consideration.
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I didn't say he was having a better season than everyone in the league. I asked if there was anyone even close among MVP candidates. That is to say that I believe in the old school definition of MVP where a player had to be on a playoff team. Yeah, I know there are exceptions but that's usually only when one player's numbers are so off the charts and there are few candidates from other teams.
Players on last-place teams (Ernie Banks and Ralph Kiner come to mind) have been MVP before. But there's a distinction between "Player of the Year" (if that one still exists; it used to be given by TSN) and MVP. The "old school", and maybe the official definition of MVP, is along the lines of "player most responsible for his team's success" or "player whose team would suffer most if he weren't there".

Of course, there's the other side of the story, as when Kiner was MVP and offered a pay cut by Branch Rickey. Rickey said "We finished last with you and we can finish last without you. Take it or sit out."
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