Yet, they look so horrible...

Phenom · 08-09-2007, 06:08 PM

I looked at ESPNs stat page...

Some Met pitching stats:

Team ERA 3.91 (2nd in NL) 3.76 since ASB

Team BAA .242 (Best in NL) .245 since ASB

Team WHIP 1.28 (2nd in NL) 1.24 since ASB

Met fielding stats:

Team Errors: 61 (4th Best in NL)

Note that I left out hitting, which we all know is can really suck at times. The Mets excel in only SBs and Sac Flies. Other than that, they are middle of the pack in any significant category.

Situationally, they still are bad. However, I was shocked to see that they have the second fewest GIDP in the league.

You'd think that a team with Sean Green, Paul LoDuca, and Moises Alou on it would OWN this category...

The_Kings_of_Quit · 08-09-2007, 06:14 PM

If you replace the Ghost of Delgado, 2007 with Regular Delgado, 2006, this team is in first by eight games, minimum. Replace 47% Carlos with 2007 Carlos, they're in first by twelve games.

Those two have killed this team just about all year with the nasty drop-off in production.

Mr. Met · 08-09-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kings_of_Quit

If you replace the Ghost of Delgado, 2007 with Regular Delgado, 2006, this team is in first by eight games, minimum. Replace 47% Carlos with 2007 Carlos, they're in first by twelve games.

Those two have killed this team just about all year with the nasty drop-off in production.

Yup... and thats assuming you can get Blowtran to play a game ! . Delgado definitely sucks, but at least he shows up.

NickPapagiorgio · 08-09-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kings_of_Quit

If you replace the Ghost of Delgado, 2007 with Regular Delgado, 2006, this team is in first by eight games, minimum. Replace 47% Carlos with 2007 Carlos, they're in first by twelve games.

Those two have killed this team just about all year with the nasty drop-off in production.

Yep but unfortunately we aren't going to get 2006 stats out of either of them for the rest of the year. The numbers look good but this team is not playing like a first place team since the start of June. This division will come down to who really asserts themselves and takes control over the next few weeks. We could have gone a long way towards doing that this week but we didn't. That is ok, time to move on. A sweep of the Fish would be a good place to start.

MetfanBren · 08-09-2007, 06:35 PM

The Mets finish the season like this:

3@WAS
4@FLA
3 WAS
1 STL
3 FLA

If the team is healthy they should feast on that pitching, and if they don't they really don't deserve to win. The last 14 games are cupcake city...

Tomorrow would be a good start against that degenerate Olson too. I want to see more cat fights in the dugout...

15 Day DL Alou · 08-09-2007, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapagiorgio

Yep but unfortunately we aren't going to get 2006 stats out of either of them for the rest of the year. The numbers look good but this team is not playing like a first place team since the start of June. This division will come down to who really asserts themselves and takes control over the next few weeks. We could have gone a long way towards doing that this week but we didn't. That is ok, time to move on. A sweep of the Fish would be a good place to start.

And what does that say about the Braves and Phillies?

The Mets have underperformed but all year long all the way back to freak spring training and beyond all that was bellowed from the nay-sayers was: "Beware the Phillies" and "Beware the Braves"

What does it say about those two teams that the Mets have been so horrible in most fans eyes that they really should be apologizing about being in first place?

To me it says that the Phillies and Braves are just as fu(kcing over-rated coming into the season as the Mets seem to have been.

The_Kings_of_Quit · 08-09-2007, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 15 Day DL Alou

And what does that say about the Braves and Phillies?

The Mets have underperformed but all year long all the way back to freak spring training and beyond all that was bellowed from the nay-sayers was: "Beware the Phillies" and "Beware the Braves"

What does it say about those two teams that the Mets have been so horrible in most fans eyes that they really should be apologizing about being in first place?

To me it says that the Phillies and Braves are just as fu(kcing over-rated coming into the season as the Mets seem to have been.

I think we got a little spoiled last year. That 2006 team looked like it would dominate for a few years, especially with Minaya's trading/FA signing acumen, and his access to Wilpon money.

The fact that the Phillies are even still in this thing is a miracle, actually, what with that patchwork rotation and bullpen.

Things could still change -- a Braves major hot-streak, a Mets (last September-like) swoon -- but it looks like the Mets will have to work extra hard NOT to make the playoffs this season. Especially if they are ever able to field their full-potential outfield again.

Phenom · 08-09-2007, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Kings_of_Quit

I think we got a little spoiled last year. That 2006 team looked like it would dominate for a few years, especially with Minaya's trading/FA signing acumen, and his access to Wilpon money.

The fact that the Phillies are even still in this thing is a miracle, actually, what with that patchwork rotation and bullpen.

Things could still change -- a Braves major hot-streak, a Mets (last September-like) swoon -- but it looks like the Mets will have to work extra hard NOT to make the playoffs this season. Especially if they are ever able to field their full-potential outfield again.

While the back end of their rotation is questionable, they are ALWAYS capable of coming on strong at the worst possible moment, which is why losing 2 of 3 this weeks hurts. We needed to pull away once and for all, yet didn't.

Thank heaven our pitching is still our greatest asset...

Rey-YES · 08-09-2007, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by NickPapagiorgio

Yep but unfortunately we aren't going to get 2006 stats out of either of them for the rest of the year. The numbers look good but this team is not playing like a first place team since the start of June. This division will come down to who really asserts themselves and takes control over the next few weeks. We could have gone a long way towards doing that this week but we didn't. That is ok, time to move on. A sweep of the Fish would be a good place to start.

Since early June, until recently, we didn't have Alou; we didn't have Castillo; we didn't have Milledge.

Do you really think they aren't better than the guys they replaced?

KingOlerud · 08-09-2007, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MetfanBren

The Mets finish the season like this:

ambler · 08-09-2007, 11:40 PM

Delgado has hit MUCH better in the last 6 weeks. If he keeps it up and Beltran comes back and raises his game for the stretch run, we should be fine IF Maine and Perez pitch liek they did earlier this year and not like they have lately. I'm also worried about our pen. It just doesnt inspre confidence like it did earlier this season.

Deleted User · 08-10-2007, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ambler

Delgado has hit MUCH better in the last 6 weeks. If he keeps it up and Beltran comes back and raises his game for the stretch run, we should be fine IF Maine and Perez pitch liek they did earlier this year and not like they have lately. I'm also worried about our pen. It just doesnt inspre confidence like it did earlier this season.

Maine concerns me more than Perez, though with both recently, it's been about losing their poise more than getting pounded.

As for Perez, eight of his 16 runs allowed over his last three starts have come on three swings. Runs are runs, but to say he's "struggled" is a bit of a fallacy outside of his start against ATL.

He was DOMINATING the Pirates until his rough fifth and three of the five runs he gave up against MIL came on Fielder's 3-run homer. He only went on to K 11 guys in six innings in that game....

As for Maine...every pitcher, ace or not, is going to hit a rough patch. Facing the Bucs will be a nice tonic for him to get back on track, hopefully.

NeilAllen · 08-10-2007, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Met

Yup... and thats assuming you can get Blowtran to play a game ! . Delgado definitely sucks, but at least he shows up.

Just so long as you don't ask him to bend down and pick anything up

Kid A · 08-10-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ilpadrino78

Maine concerns me more than Perez, though with both recently, it's been about losing their poise more than getting pounded.

As for Perez, eight of his 16 runs allowed over his last three starts have come on three swings. Runs are runs, but to say he's "struggled" is a bit of a fallacy outside of his start against ATL.

He was DOMINATING the Pirates until his rough fifth and three of the five runs he gave up against MIL came on Fielder's 3-run homer. He only went on to K 11 guys in six innings in that game....

As for Maine...every pitcher, ace or not, is going to hit a rough patch. Facing the Bucs will be a nice tonic for him to get back on track, hopefully.

Im not worried about either one of them. Both have hit patches earlier and have come out of it.

MrHat · 08-10-2007, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 15 Day DL Alou

And what does that say about the Braves and Phillies?

The Mets have underperformed but all year long all the way back to freak spring training and beyond all that was bellowed from the nay-sayers was: "Beware the Phillies" and "Beware the Braves"

What does it say about those two teams that the Mets have been so horrible in most fans eyes that they really should be apologizing about being in first place?

To me it says that the Phillies and Braves are just as fu(kcing over-rated coming into the season as the Mets seem to have been.

Beyond even the Phils and the Braves....once again the whole NL is looking up at the Mets despite them being "horrible"

08-09-2007, 06:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
Phenom Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,395	Yet, they look so horrible... I looked at ESPNs stat page... Some Met pitching stats: Team ERA 3.91 (2nd in NL) 3.76 since ASB Team BAA .242 (Best in NL) .245 since ASB Team WHIP 1.28 (2nd in NL) 1.24 since ASB Met fielding stats: Team Errors: 61 (4th Best in NL) Note that I left out hitting, which we all know is can really suck at times. The Mets excel in only SBs and Sac Flies. Other than that, they are middle of the pack in any significant category. Situationally, they still are bad. However, I was shocked to see that they have the second fewest GIDP in the league. You'd think that a team with Sean Green, Paul LoDuca, and Moises Alou on it would OWN this category...

08-09-2007, 06:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Kings_of_Quit Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 5,038	If you replace the Ghost of Delgado, 2007 with Regular Delgado, 2006, this team is in first by eight games, minimum. Replace 47% Carlos with 2007 Carlos, they're in first by twelve games. Those two have killed this team just about all year with the nasty drop-off in production. __________________ According to the McCain campaign, the Titanic announced today that the doomed ship "has the ocean right where she wants it."

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MetfanBren Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Pearl River, NY Posts: 3,639	The Mets finish the season like this: 3@WAS 4@FLA 3 WAS 1 STL 3 FLA If the team is healthy they should feast on that pitching, and if they don't they really don't deserve to win. The last 14 games are cupcake city... Tomorrow would be a good start against that degenerate Olson too. I want to see more cat fights in the dugout...

08-09-2007, 11:40 PM	#11 (permalink)
ambler Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,050	Delgado has hit MUCH better in the last 6 weeks. If he keeps it up and Beltran comes back and raises his game for the stretch run, we should be fine IF Maine and Perez pitch liek they did earlier this year and not like they have lately. I'm also worried about our pen. It just doesnt inspre confidence like it did earlier this season.

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