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Old 08-30-2008, 05:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default States up for grabs?

I'm talking purple and states that could "switch" from their norm.


Louisiana: If they don't go Dem this time after Katrina, they never will

CO and Minny: The winners should be the GOP and Dems respectively. But could local buzz from the conventions influence the outcome?


Fla: Not up for grabs. Jmac gets the Cubans and Blue Hairs and it's done.

NJ and PA; Can Biden get BO the state where people cling to religion and guns?

Some Deep South State: Can Obama win a single GOP stronghold state due to a large AA voting constituency. Georgia? 'Bama?


New York: The state with the most disgruntled Hil supporters.




OH and Mich: Whoever wins one, should win both. Similar issues. I guess mIch has a lot more blacks and BO has ties there. On the other hand the DEMS f-ed up their primary there.


Other than that, I see no suprises. The west coast goes BO, Alaska Jmac, Hawaii, BO.

The rockies goes McCain. Diito south. Ditto a lot of the sothwest and central midwest (BO wins NM and Iowa). Northern midwest and northeast Obama. Maybe Conn goes Jmac?
 
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An intersting article sums it up:

Pennsylvania, Michigan crucial to fall election By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 4 minutes ago



Keep your eyes on Pennsylvania and Michigan.

There are battleground states in the presidential election, and then there are these two, looming larger than most others because they offer such a rich opportunity for Republican John McCain and potential peril for Democrat Barack Obama.

What worries Obama, and gives McCain hope, is that both states have hundreds of thousands of white, mostly working-class Democrats who seem wary of Obama. In the Pennsylvania primary they gave Hillary Rodham Clinton a big win over Obama, and now McCain is wooing them hard.

"I need Pennsylvania," Obama told a crowd of several thousand at an outdoor rally in Beaver on Friday night. "I need Beaver, Pennsylvania. I need you to stand up beside me and say now is the time to bring about change in America."

In the crowd, Kim Stelmach of Pittsburgh cheered, and fretted a bit. Despite having young twins at home, she finds time to volunteer for Obama, and is well aware that Pennsylvania is a must-win state.

"I'm extremely nervous," she said of Obama's standing with white working-class Democrats. "That's why I'm volunteering."

Pennsylvania and Michigan have thousands of white working-class voters who call themselves Democrats but sometimes vote Republican.

If McCain carries either state, he could lose several states that President Bush won and still claim the White House. For Obama, a loss in either would put him in a deep hole, forcing him to win numerous states that have voted Republican in recent elections to have any hope of prevailing on Nov. 4.

It's no coincidence that Obama and his running mate, Delaware Sen. Joe Biden, made Pennsylvania their first stop Friday after leaving their party's convention in Denver, with several Michigan stops scheduled for Sunday and Monday. Their campaign released a new TV ad for northeastern Pennsylvania noting that Biden was born in Scranton.

McCain and his new running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, campaigned Saturday in Pittsburgh and Washington, Pa., and they have promised to visit both states repeatedly.

There are plenty of other vigorously contested states: Florida, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado and Virginia, to name a few. But Michigan and Pennsylvania are different.

John Kerry and Al Gore carried both in their losing campaigns in 2000 and 2004. So they form an almost must-win minimum for Obama. He would start with the base those two men had, and then try to pick up enough Bush-carried states to put him over the top.

They're being told by Obama's people that their personal and political interests should trump any qualms about voting for a black man in his first Senate term.

Polls show Obama slightly ahead in both states, but McCain may be within striking distance.

To be elected, Obama must win 18 more electoral votes than Kerry did four years ago. If he loses Pennsylvania, his deficit jumps to 39 electoral votes. If he loses Michigan instead, the gap is 35.

Those are big numbers, because the Bush-won states that look most promising for Obama tend to be small, with few electoral votes.

The possibilities and math can get complicated.

Suppose Obama carried every state that Kerry did, including Michigan and Pennsylvania, and then added Bush's states of Iowa, New Mexico and Nevada, all prime targets this year. He'd still lose to McCain.

But if he grabbed one more state that Kerry lost — Colorado, for instance — then he would be president.

McCain, on the other hand, could lose Ohio or Florida (both won by Bush in 2000 and 2004) and essentially offset it with a win in Michigan or Pennsylvania. Swapping Florida for Michigan would cost McCain 10 net electoral votes, but he'd still win the election if all other states followed 2004 results.

Obama's challenge becomes far greater if he loses either Pennsylvania or Michigan. Even if he won all the other Kerry states from 2004 and added the Bush states of New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa and Virginia — a state with 13 electoral votes that Democrats haven't won in decades — he would lose the election.

Michigan and Pennsylvania have been hit hard by the long decline in heavy manufacturing jobs, especially in the steel and auto industries. Obama tells workers (and unemployed people) that Republicans have abandoned them. He promises to invest in technologies that will create jobs, and to cut middle-class taxes to help families pay their bills.

McCain also promises to bring more jobs to the heartland. He places more emphasis on across-the-board tax cuts and greater flexibility in finding health insurance.

Obama did not campaign in Michigan during the primary because a Democratic Party dispute essentially negated the state's primary election. He needs to make up for lost time, says Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm.

He needs to "come, come, come to Michigan," she said. The state's wary voters, she said, need "to feel him, see him, touch him."

McCain, too, would love nothing better than to win them over, which could give him a victory in Michigan and a huge step toward the White House.
 
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