Malik Nadal Hasan.

[Jersey Shore]

Originally Posted by metman

Why can't libs just come here to post their anger over the shooting? Why is there always deflection, etc? It happens all the time. You wonder why nobody takes you seriously, here, when you say you are a supporter of the troops or objective. I'm not saying the other side is always objective, but our soldiers get shot and we get:

"You need to learn the difference between" and other predictable liberal deflection. White guilt really is a *****. That, or simple lack of compassion.
And don't give me any **** about what I am saying, your ACTIONS SPEAK VOLUMES.

It's always a 'right wing nut' who has to post these. It ain't just this board where this takes place, trust me. Same with facebook, media/etc. The only people who give a **** seem to be the anti-american protesting racists.

Heck, look at the thread by Ambler or the response to my post on the British spies by Jers. There is no natural inclination to just celebrate it from that side. That's why their side talks about how Murdoch is the worst person in the world

he is a muckraker of the worst kind. A purveyor of half truths and opinion dressed up as fact.

Originally Posted by metman

and keep quiet when muslime killers blow their own people up each day. Or our own, depending on which allah tells them to kill.

and that is simply NOT TRUE.

I for one am very angry over the shootings and have expressed that... I'm mortified that a Crazy man or Terrorist (whichever suits your needs) was able to do this.

YOU CAN support the troops and still disagree with the mission in Iraq.

YOU CAN still want terrorists dead or brought to justice and think this major was just plain crazy

YOU CAN love Americaand and recognize that there is a difference between a practioner of Islam and an Islamic Fundamenatlist terrorist.

YOIU CAN love America and support what Obama is trying to do, here and abroad

and finally, if you recall it was the "con' wing of the mofo that first began blaming this atrocity on "politicall correctness"

[MS15LF]

Originally Posted by Jersey Shore

he is a muckraker of the worst kind. A purveyor of half truths and opinion dressed up as fact.


and that is simply NOT TRUE.

I for one am very angry over the shootings and have expressed that... I'm mortified that a Crazy man or Terrorist (whichever suits your needs) was able to do this.

YOU CAN support the troops and still disagree with the mission in Iraq

YOU CAN still want terrorists dead or brought to justice and think this major was just plain crazy

YOU CAN love Americaand and recognize that there is a difference between a practioner of Islam and an Islamic Fundamenatlist terrorist.

YOIU CAN love America and support what Obama is trying to do, here and abroad

and finally, if you recall it was the "con' wing of the mofo that first began blaming this atrocity on "politicall correctness"

So JS...is he a terrorist or a crazy mass murderer?

I ask because you did call the man who killed the abortion doctor...a terrorist.

[Jersey Shore]

Originally Posted by MS15LF

So JS...is he a terrorist or a crazy mass murderer?

have you read ANY of the above posts by yours truly?

Originally Posted by MS15LF

I ask because you did call the man who killed the abortion doctor...a terrorist.

terrorist

[Paulie Cee]

"YOIU CAN love America and support what Obama is trying to do, here and abroad"

Sorry, but no you can't. Unless you literally love it to death.

[Jersey Shore]

The Rush to Therapy
By DAVID BROOKS
We’re all born late. We’re born into history that is well under way. We’re born into cultures, nations and languages that we didn’t choose. On top of that, we’re born with certain brain chemicals and genetic predispositions that we can’t control. We’re thrust into social conditions that we detest. Often, we react in ways we regret even while we’re doing them.

But unlike the other animals, people do have a drive to seek coherence and meaning. We have a need to tell ourselves stories that explain it all. We use these stories to supply the metaphysics, without which life seems pointless and empty.

Among all the things we don’t control, we do have some control over our stories. We do have a conscious say in selecting the narrative we will use to make sense of the world. Individual responsibility is contained in the act of selecting and constantly revising the master narrative we tell about ourselves.

The stories we select help us, in turn, to interpret the world. They guide us to pay attention to certain things and ignore other things. They lead us to see certain things as sacred and other things as disgusting. They are the frameworks that shape our desires and goals. So while story selection may seem vague and intellectual, it’s actually very powerful. The most important power we have is the power to help select the lens through which we see reality.

Most people select stories that lead toward cooperation and goodness. But over the past few decades a malevolent narrative has emerged.

That narrative has emerged on the fringes of the Muslim world. It is a narrative that sees human history as a war between Islam on the one side and Christianity and Judaism on the other. This narrative causes its adherents to shrink their circle of concern. They don’t see others as fully human. They come to believe others can be blamelessly murdered and that, in fact, it is admirable to do so.

This narrative is embraced by a small minority. But it has caused incredible amounts of suffering within the Muslim world, in Israel, in the U.S. and elsewhere. With their suicide bombings and terrorist acts, adherents to this narrative have made themselves central to global politics. They are the ones who go into crowded rooms, shout “Allahu akbar,” or “God is great,” and then start murdering.

When Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan did that in Fort Hood, Tex., last week, many Americans had an understandable and, in some ways, admirable reaction. They didn’t want the horror to become a pretext for anti-Muslim bigotry.

So immediately the coverage took on a certain cast. The possibility of Islamic extremism was immediately played down. This was an isolated personal breakdown, not an ideological assault, many people emphasized.

Major Hasan was portrayed as a disturbed individual who was under a lot of stress. We learned about pre-traumatic stress syndrome, and secondary stress disorder, which one gets from hearing about other people’s stress. We heard the theory (unlikely in retrospect) that Hasan was so traumatized by the thought of going into a combat zone that he decided to take a gun and create one of his own.

A shroud of political correctness settled over the conversation. Hasan was portrayed as a victim of society, a poor soul who was pushed over the edge by prejudice and unhappiness.

There was a national rush to therapy. Hasan was a loner who had trouble finding a wife and socializing with his neighbors.

This response was understandable. It’s important to tamp down vengeful hatreds in moments of passion. But it was also patronizing. Public commentators assumed the air of kindergarten teachers who had to protect their children from thinking certain impermissible and intolerant thoughts. If public commentary wasn’t carefully policed, the assumption seemed to be, then the great mass of unwashed yahoos in Middle America would go off on a racist rampage.

Worse, it absolved Hasan — before the real evidence was in — of his responsibility. He didn’t have the choice to be lonely or unhappy. But he did have a choice over what story to build out of those circumstances. And evidence is now mounting to suggest he chose the extremist War on Islam narrative that so often leads to murderous results.

The conversation in the first few days after the massacre was well intentioned, but it suggested a willful flight from reality. It ignored the fact that the war narrative of the struggle against Islam is the central feature of American foreign policy. It ignored the fact that this narrative can be embraced by a self-radicalizing individual in the U.S. as much as by groups in Tehran, Gaza or Kandahar.

It denied, before the evidence was in, the possibility of evil. It sought to reduce a heinous act to social maladjustment. It wasn’t the reaction of a morally or politically serious nation.

[1994]

The thing that bothers me besides the fact that they kept this scumbag alive and those slaughtered Americans is the facts they knew about him and did nothing about it. Guess they were afraid of profiling him and Americans died. Iread today that he's only talking to his doctor and HIS F'N LAWYER.

BTW, his former iam or whatever their religious leaders are called said that this scumbag did the right thing.

Stupid Americans that we are, we will never learn until we are destroyed.

[RkFast]

Originally Posted by Jersey Shore

he's crazy, what benefit of what doubt?

I've never demonized any one for doing either of thoise two things



Recognize to whom you are speaking regarding "ant-war" stance and as far as politicise and JUSTIFICATION, just look at this tripe: Posted earlier


and finally DON"T YOU EVER FU(KIN DARE TO REFER TO ME AS AN Islamofascist sympathizer!!!!!! Because if you do and I can find you I'll beat you to within an inch of your life

Internet threats....

My God, you are pa-****ing-thetic.

[Jersey Shore]

Originally Posted by RkFast

Internet threats....

My God, you are pa-****ing-thetic.

"Because if you do and I can find you I'll beat you to within an inch of your life"....not really a threat...re "IF" i can find you.....relax, you're safe.

[NeilAllen]

What was that like the 5th person you threatened to beat up this year? You must be driving for some sort of record

[Jersey Shore]

Originally Posted by NeilAllen

What was that like the 5th person you threatened to beat up this year? You must be driving for some sort of record

the last person I "threatened to beat up" was Frank, in about 2004......I don't consider my response to RK as a threat........just expressing anger over being called an 'Islamic synmpathizer" ...which is about all that can be accomplished over the internet.

[FrankStylV7]

Originally Posted by Jersey Shore

the last person I "threatened to beat up" was Frank, in about 2004......I don't consider my response to RK as a threat........just expressing anger over being called an 'Islamic synmpathizer" ...which is about all that can be accomplished over the internet.

That wasn't so much a threat as a giggly response to a threat that I sent YOUR way. Before I knew about the multiple black belts and **** of that nature.

(I'm a lover, not so much a fighter. BUT I'll make an exception for my good buddy Ambler. There isn't much that could convince my body that I can't kill him with my bare hands or at least whatever's within arms' reach in any given area.)

I think that we decided to stick to the fact that we both enjoy PETA-declared endangered fish, ganja, porno, fancy cars and handguns, and we'd try to keep our disagreements reasonably civil and whatnot.

[DDPv6.0]

"It's getting harder and harder for Muslims in the service to morally justify being in a military that seems constantly engaged against fellow Muslims," he said during the PowerPoint presentation before his supervisors and other mental health staff members, according to the paper.

I'm going to be sick.

[Jersey Shore]

Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

That wasn't so much a threat as a giggly response to a threat that I sent YOUR way. Before I knew about the multiple black belts and **** of that nature.

(I'm a lover, not so much a fighter. BUT I'll make an exception for my good buddy Ambler. There isn't much that could convince my body that I can't kill him with my bare hands or at least whatever's within arms' reach in any given area.)

I think that we decided to stick to the fact that we both enjoy PETA-declared endangered fish, ganja, porno, fancy cars and handguns, and we'd try to keep our disagreements reasonably civil and whatnot.

Neil thinks I'm a total whack-job anyway, not sure why I responded to him at all.

FYI.....had a nice piece of Sea-bass, wrapped in foil on the grill.......added nothing to it just the marvelous flavor of that endangered species.

[Led, the Revenge]

Originally Posted by DDPv6.0

I'm going to be sick.

And when Christians have fought fellow Christians throughout many a war? No, wait, they're capable of putting country and duty first.

Islamists have done a very good job of creating what is basically a death cult. And as much as I see Islam to be the international threat, I won't type cast every actual Muslim, as there have been several Muslims serving with distinction for the British army in war zones recently. Which of course shows the brainwashing of 'islam before country' that this scumbag put upon himself.

[RkFast]

Originally Posted by Jersey Shore

the last person I "threatened to beat up" was Frank, in about 2004......I don't consider my response to RK as a threat........just expressing anger over being called an 'Islamic synmpathizer" ...which is about all that can be accomplished over the internet.

OK, fine. But I wasnt saying youre an islamist symapthiser....I was pointing out that there are elements on the left (your side) who ARE.