Who is REALLY behind the Mumbai Massacre?

[KingOlerud]

Anyway, fat chance of that answer leaving your keyboard, so here's what all your little conspiracy friends are saying about Mumbai:

THE MOSSAD STRIKES IN MUMBAI

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Well of course Jews like Foxman use the Mumbai incident as an opportunity to promote the ‘war on terror.’ Once again, Muslims are made the ‘enemies’ of all mankind, rather than the Zionist Jews, who are engaged in ethnic cleansing of Arab Muslims & Christians in Palestine and responsible for world wide chaos since the inception of their rogue state of Israel.

Also - the ‘terrorist’ attacks in Mumbai will be used by Zionist Jews as justification for a US invasion of Pakistan, yet another ‘enemy’ of Israel.

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The Jewish-controlled media has been spewing the lie that a massive intelligence failure by Indian security agencies occurred — despite reports that Indian authorities had been aware of rumors of an impending attack, including even the mention of the Taj Mahal Hotel.

And more:

Dear Friends,

As soon as I read the news when it broke on Mubai, I was suspicious. Al Queda was blamed too soon and making Muslims out to be the culprits, well, ‘been there, done that.’ I smelled Mossad all over the place.

Because I grew up as a Jew, I know where to look to find the information needed to prove my assertions regarding the Anti Christian, evil activities of the Jews. It didn’t take me long to build the case above, that the Mossad pulled off yet another false flag, to create a ‘war on terror’ emergency in India which will warrant a US invasion of Pakistan, yet another enemy of Israel.

When I saw the ‘terrorist emergency’ on TV being broadcast from India, I too thought - AHA! The Mossad has a new proxy.

Well it is good to see that bloggers all over the Internet have all come to the same conclution: the Mossad did this.

The world is waking up to the Jewish threat to mankind, and what liars they are. Is it true that Abe Foxman just approved a new logo for the ADL that has a snake coming out of a Star of David? That’s just like the devil in the snake in the tree in the garden of eden. That is right on the money.

And here are your "conspiracy" friends on the USS Cole bombing:

The USS Cole bombing against the backdrop of Israeli "Black Propaganda" Operations

Many in the Arab and Muslim communities in the United States are inclined to suppose that Israel may be responsible for the terror-bombing of the USS Cole in the Yemen port city of Aden on October 13. Although few Americans would suspect Israel, a trusted U.S. ally, of such a dastardly act, they may well be wrong while better informed and more experienced Arab and Muslim observers may be correct.

The Israeli intelligence agencies have a long history of carrying out what have been called "black propaganda" operations. Such covert actions are designed to create suspicion and inflame animosity between Israel's perUnived enemies in the Middle East and Americans.

[Deepleft34]

If that is what you wanted to present, you should have done so. Instead you took the pussy way out, tried to bait me into saying something that you can bash, so you could celebrate your witty cleverness. I might also point out that you still, to this very day, evade answers by using insults and misdirection: How do you know that Anti-Semites are behind 9/11 conspiracies?

You, your motives, and your approach are as transparent as plastic wrap and as solid as tissue paper.

[metman]

I wish those attacks on any American who believes it's the Jews and not those fundamentalist muslime faggots.

But we all know who feels that way and how little they give this country that they attack and take so much from.

as for 9/11, why didn't Barbara Olsen return after her phone call? or betty hong?

Please, just kill yourself. All of you wanna be nazi muslime loving ****s.

[Deepleft34]

[Mule]

Getting back to the topic of the actual attacks:

1) there are reports that armed police refused to engage the scumbags at the scene(s)

2) reports are saying that some Jewish female hostages were tortured in ways that weren't to be repeated

3) it appears the "elite" forces tasked with the rescue op were poorly trained and even more poorly equipped, to the point of not even having night vision gear, etc.

How many wakeup calls for the whole freaking world does it take?

[Busyman]

The Terrorists got tipped off to where some people were hiding from CNN:

‘We thought we were safe... then CNN stepped in!’ - WalesOnline

From her home in Penarth yesterday, Mrs Shaw said: “We have been asked by the British terror police not to talk to the press.

“But the reason I would not want to talk to anyone is because our safety was actually compromised by CNN, which broadcast where we were.

“The terrorists were watching CNN and they came down from where they were in a lift after hearing about us on television. For that reason I would appeal to the media to be very careful about what they broadcast.

“When we left Mumbai there were still around 100 people trapped there.”

She added: “People talk to one another on mobile phones and that gets broadcast and the terrorists knew from that.”

And to answer Mule's question: There will never be enough wake-up calls, because the world will never get it. Until it's way too late.

[James D.]

Originally Posted by metman

But we all know who feels that way and how little they give this country that they attack and take so much from.

What exactly is your contribution to the country and the anti-terrorism effort? Talking tough on messageboards?

[Led, the Revenge]

Originally Posted by Mule

Getting back to the topic of the actual attacks:

1) there are reports that armed police refused to engage the scumbags at the scene(s)

2) reports are saying that some Jewish female hostages were tortured in ways that weren't to be repeated

3) it appears the "elite" forces tasked with the rescue op were poorly trained and even more poorly equipped, to the point of not even having night vision gear, etc.

How many wakeup calls for the whole freaking world does it take?

Also reports that the authorities dismissed the initial gun attacks as gang warfare and ignored it, then waited an hour and a half before calling in the commando's who then took another 8 and half hours to arrive from their base in Dubai. Question for you Mule - would our elite forces such as the SEALs or SAS take that long to arrive on scene? It seems from the point of view of a lay person that the two days it took for them to eliminate the attackers seemed a long time in comparison to the Iranian embassy siege (once they killed a hostage and turned it into a military situation).

[Mule]

Well here's some real good news:

Mumbai attacks - city fears five terrorists are 'missing' - Times Online

At least five terrorist gunmen have evaded capture in Mumbai and could make a secondary strike on India's financial capital, it was feared today.

The prospect of more killers being at large added to mounting public anger at the Indian Government's lax handling of the worst terror strike to hit the country in 15 years.

As the city slowly moved towards normality, Indian security forces claimed that just ten militants – nine of whom were killed and one caught alive – were behind the series of co-ordinated attacks that claimed nearly 200 lives. Rakesh Maria, joint commissioner of police, crime branch, said: "Their plan was just to cause maximum damage and return with hostages protecting themselves."

However, a hijacked Indian fishing boat used by the gunmen had equipment for 15 men on board when it was discovered adrift off the city shore – suggesting that several gunmen could still be at large

"Fifteen winter jackets were found, fifteen toothbrushes," a police source said. "That more terrorists are loose is possible".

Ajmal Amir Kasab, the sole gunman caught alive, said during police questioning that 24 men were trained in camps in Pakistan for the mission, according to a leaked account of his police interrogation. He has apparently since claimed, however, that only ten made the final trip to Bombay, including him. Police are continuing to question the baby-faced 21-year-old, who has said that he and his accomplices planned to kill 5,000.people.

Security experts say that it is conceivable that a force of just ten heavily armed men could carry out an operation of the scale of the Mumbai strike, which paralysed the commercial capital of India for three days and will haunt its residents for years, but only if they received extensive training and local support.

Investigators believe that at least five or six additional people were immediately involved in preparing for the attacks, by organising logistics and carrying out reconnaissance work. Their whereabouts is unknown.

Efforts to unravel the local support network – which investigators fear may be activated again in future attacks – are centring on Mumbai's most notorious mafia gang, D Company, which is run by Dawood Ibrahim, an organised-crime boss who ranks among the world's top five most-wanted men and is widely believed to have links with al-Qaeda.

Dr Lakshman, of the Delhi-based Institute for Conflict Management, said: "The level of local logistical support given to the terrorists suggests the involvement of Dawood Ibrahim's group."

Indian officials are convinced that Ibrahim is currently being harboured by Pakistan's spy agency, the ISI, in the port city of Karachi, from which it is thought the gunmen that struck Mumbai last week sailed. He is thought to have financed the 1993 Bombay bombings, which claimed 250 lives.

Yesterday, many Mumbai residents remained convinced that more than two dozen gunmen must have stormed the city, such was the trail of death and destruction left in their wake. That impression was supported by early police and media reports that spoke of 25 terrorists. Angry at the Government's response to the crisis, they are reluctant to accept the assurances that all the terrorists are accounted for.

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Kasab, the captured gunman, told police that he had undergone months of commando-style training in an Islamist militant camp in Pakistan. The training was organised by Lashkar-e-Taiba, a Pakistan-based militant group that Indian officials are convinced is behind the Mumbai attacks, and conducted by a former member of the Pakistani army, a police officer close to the interrogation claimed.

The training covered topics from how to handle sophisticated weaponry to what to eat to maintain energy levels during a siege.

The terrorist recruits were also placed on a rigorous physical training regime, running and swimming large distances. The account tallies with that of the elite Indian commandos that hunted the gunmen down in the two hotels they had occupied. The troops said that the terrorists must have been given military training, such was their bearing and effectiveness.

[kingdiggler]

Originally Posted by James D.

What exactly is your contribution to the country and the anti-terrorism effort? Talking tough on messageboards?

Whatever little bit it is, it is infinitely more than your place here.

[Mule]

Originally Posted by Led, the Revenge

would our elite forces such as the SEALs or SAS take that long to arrive on scene?

I need some context here...are you asking in the vein of India asking for our help, or how long it would take a U.S./U.K. force to respond to a similar attack in their own country?

There's all sorts of variables involved, but yeah, depending on distances, situations etc. it could take them that long to arrive on scene. Actual mobilization is the toughest part. The difference is in the level of training, logistic and intel supports our teams have vs. theirs obviously. By the time our guys land things would already be in motion on getting proper intel, op planning, etc., whereas they sat on their hands for a long time figuring out what to do, and when they finally did decide, their guys didn't execute the plan to nearly the same level that a "western" spec-ops organization would have.

You can't expect them to have the same resources to fall back on, but it's becoming painfully obvious these guys weren't equipped or trained to deal with anything near this magnitude, which is unacceptable.

[kingdiggler]

these people on the other message boards have watched munic way too much. If they think Eric Bana and Daniel Craig are running around in brown makeup killing people, they are gravely mistaken.

[SELL THE TEAM NOW!!!!!!!!]

Originally Posted by Mule

Getting back to the topic of the actual attacks:

1) there are reports that armed police refused to engage the scumbags at the scene(s)

2) reports are saying that some Jewish female hostages were tortured in ways that weren't to be repeated

3) it appears the "elite" forces tasked with the rescue op were poorly trained and even more poorly equipped, to the point of not even having night vision gear, etc.

How many wakeup calls for the whole freaking world does it take?

No worries. President Cool will get all of these low life scum to love us again. Remember how loving they were when the brilliant, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton were President?

Well, either that, or President Cool will work behind the scenes to assist radical Islam in their quest to blow Israel off the map. Once Israel is gone, radical Islam, coincidentally --for the first time in their fuking history--will then stop the butchering they are so famous for in every corner of the world.

The radical, Jew hating left will then blame the Jews and George Bush for Israel's destruction, saying it is a Zionist/Neo-Con plot to attract sympathy towards the former State of Israel and create fear of "brown people".

[Led, the Revenge]

Originally Posted by Mule

I need some context here...are you asking in the vein of India asking for our help, or how long it would take a U.S./U.K. force to respond to a similar attack in their own country?

There's all sorts of variables involved, but yeah, depending on distances, situations etc. it could take them that long to arrive on scene. Actual mobilization is the toughest part. The difference is in the level of training, logistic and intel supports our teams have vs. theirs obviously. By the time our guys land things would already be in motion on getting proper intel, op planning, etc., whereas they sat on their hands for a long time figuring out what to do, and when they finally did decide, their guys didn't execute the plan to nearly the same level that a "western" spec-ops organization would have.

You can't expect them to have the same resources to fall back on, but it's becoming painfully obvious these guys weren't equipped or trained to deal with anything near this magnitude, which is unacceptable.

Yeah, I was referring to how long it would take for a response to a similar situation in our countries. Granted, I would they don't have the same facilities for as rapid a response, but it did seem to be painfully slow, as I would have assumed that they would have units on constant "standby" in a similar fashion to ours, especially considering their continual terrorist problems with Pakistan.

Read up on the Iranian embassy siege again earlier - it took them 11 minutes from entry to end the siege and free the hostages out of the building against 30 armed men, with one hostage casualty. Compare that to Mumbai and would it be fair to say that it exemplifies the standards of Western training.

[KingOlerud]

Originally Posted by Deepleft34

If that is what you wanted to present, you should have done so. Instead you took the pussy way out, tried to bait me into saying something that you can bash, so you could celebrate your witty cleverness. I might also point out that you still, to this very day, evade answers by using insults and misdirection: How do you know that Anti-Semites are behind 9/11 conspiracies?

You, your motives, and your approach are as transparent as plastic wrap and as solid as tissue paper.

I think you're confusing transparency with clarity. Go dine out on your anti-semitism with Jersey Shore. Liberal dick.