McCian's speech sucked

[ambler]

Originally Posted by Busyman

The debates will answer that question...I hope.

Forgot where I read it, but debates change less than 3% of the electorate's mind:

a) only slightly more than half even votes
b) most who are watching TV are not watching the debates
c) people who watch the debates tend to be politic junkie or at least interested and have already made up their minds

[1994]

That's in the past Ambler, I get the feeling the debates are going to matter much more this year.

[Deepleft34]

Originally Posted by 1994

That's in the past Ambler, I get the feeling the debates are going to matter much more this year.

I agree. I honestly cannot wait for them...it should be great!

[ambler]

Originally Posted by 1994

That's in the past Ambler, I get the feeling the debates are going to matter much more this year.

If that is the case, it will favor Obama. If there is one huge advantage he has over Jmac, it's the oratory prowess.

As long as Biden behaves himself, it shoudl be a wash, plus there's only one of them.

I'd see BO taking 2/3 from Jmac, if not a sweep.

Again, even if the scenario I propose takes place, what state changes its vote because of it?

[1994]

I'm not so sure about that. Obama gets tongue-tied sometimes without a speech written for him. It happened a little with O'Reilly last night and I know you saw the you-tube clip of him really screwing up.

I'm looking forward to the debates and I have a feeling that Palin will wipe the floor with Biden, we'll see.

[kingdiggler]

Originally Posted by ambler

If that is the case, it will favor Obama. If there is one huge advantage he has over Jmac, it's the oratory prowess.

As long as Biden behaves himself, it shoudl be a wash, plus there's only one of them.

I'd see BO taking 2/3 from Jmac, if not a sweep.

Again, even if the scenario I propose takes place, what state changes its vote because of it?

From a tele-prompter and speechwriter. He won't be the same in an unscripted event. Uh Uh Uh Uh I I I Uh it it it. That's what he will sound like.

[FrankStylV7]

Originally Posted by ambler

If that is the case, it will favor Obama. If there is one huge advantage he has over Jmac, it's the oratory prowess.

As long as Biden behaves himself, it shoudl be a wash, plus there's only one of them.

I'd see BO taking 2/3 from Jmac, if not a sweep.

Again, even if the scenario I propose takes place, what state changes its vote because of it?

Kerry and Gore were clearly superior orators to Dubya, and what did that get them? Faux intellectuals LOVE those guys, but try to think like a "chimp" for once (I know that this is going to be a stretch for a sophisticated ***** like yourself, but give it a shot!) --

The average American won't relate to a fancy Chicago lawyer with great enunciation and $5 SAT words, especially one with no real-life experiences to speak of. Has he ever worked a day in his life? Businessman? Laborer? Paper route?

Newsflash - most of Americans have had actual jobs outside of "fancy shmancy book learnin'" (sorry, my inner zeke just came out there). What does the West Virginian that's out of a job have in common with Barack Obama?

McCain will come off as your tough, fair and likeable Grampa type and will resonate very well with the over 45 set (i.e. - people that vote).

Obama will oratorially bounce around questions usin' those high fallutin' words while McCain will give actual pointed answers to those same questions.

"I promise hope and change" versus "I'm going to drill Alaska - and here are my VP's ecological impact and economic pro forma studies - set up windmill farms, build nuclear power plants and offer a $100,000,000 bounty to the first car company to make an affordable production vehicle that gets 100 MPG".

[kingdiggler]

Obama's just another lawyer. Like Edwards, Like Clinton. He'll do well in lawyer speak. Is the common person going to identify with someone who went to harvard and indonesia or with a person who served in the military and another who was in the friggin PTA. What struggles did Obama ever go through? He ever have to worry about making it home from a mission? Worrying about raising 5 children? Nope.

[1994]

You could offer that car company exculsive rights for 5 years instead of the money.

[FrankStylV7]

Originally Posted by kingdiggler

Obama's just another lawyer. Like Edwards, Like Clinton. He'll do well in lawyer speak. Is the common person going to identify with someone who went to harvard and indonesia or with a person who served in the military and another who was in the friggin PTA. What struggles did Obama ever go through? He ever have to worry about making it home from a mission? Worrying about raising 5 children? Nope.

I disagree with Clinton. He did a really nice job of coming off as an everyman, he didn't feel the need to show off how smart he is. Didn't agree with much of his politics, but I believe that he's one of the best orators of our lifetimes.

Edwards and Obama enjoy condescension as a presentation tool.

[FrankStylV7]

Originally Posted by kingdiggler

Obama's just another lawyer. Like Edwards, Like Clinton. He'll do well in lawyer speak. Is the common person going to identify with someone who went to harvard and indonesia or with a person who served in the military and another who was in the friggin PTA. What struggles did Obama ever go through? He ever have to worry about making it home from a mission? Worrying about raising 5 children? Nope.

He's hiding the White side (AKA --- the side that raised and nurtured him) of his family from the press and public. Even Halle Berry shows off her hideously obese White Mom when she's at awards ceremonies.

[kingdiggler]

Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

I disagree with Clinton. He did a really nice job of coming off as an everyman, he didn't feel the need to show off how smart he is. Didn't agree with much of his politics, but I believe that he's one of the best orators of our lifetimes.

Edwards and Obama enjoy condescension as a presentation tool.

Just stating the Clinton was a lawyer and was great at double speak.

"It depends on what your definition of IS is"

[kingdiggler]

Originally Posted by FrankStylV7

He's hiding the White side (AKA --- the side that raised and nurtured him) of his family from the press and public. Even Halle Berry shows off her hideously obese White Mom when she's at awards ceremonies.

He gives his mom a lot of credit but she abandoned him too. He was raised by his white grandparents and he's ashamed of that. He's an identity crisis wrapped in an enigma, inclosed in a riddle.

[FrankStylV7]

Originally Posted by kingdiggler

Just stating the Clinton was a lawyer and was great at double speak.

"It depends on what your definition of IS is"

That was during his hearings.

When he spoke to the public he did a great job of convincing people that he was just one of the crowd. He looked natural eating fries at McD's - how did Kerry do when buying a philly steak? Hillary at a gas station? Dukakis in a tank? G. Bush, Sr. at a grocery store checkout line?

Clinton was a master at the manipulation of large groups of people.

[FrankStylV7]

Originally Posted by kingdiggler

He gives his mom a lot of credit but she abandoned him too. He was raised by his white grandparents and he's ashamed of that. He's an identity crisis wrapped in an enigma, inclosed in a riddle.

Here's something to chew on ----

What if the guy in the African mud hut that he introduced as his half-brother was just a run-of-the-mill bushman hired for a photo op?

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